Video - Evil Incarnate Karl Rove...... Raps. *shivers*

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Analysis & Video - Joseph Smith / Jesus Christ - Christians vs. Christians on who are Christians

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You've probably read about how roughly 300,000 DVD's are being circulated to Mormons in Utah to try and entreat them back to "true" Christianity by "exposing" Joseph Smith as a fraud, a womanizer, a thief, etc..

After all, only the Bible contains truth and evidence. So the choice? Joseph Smith - bad guy/Jesus Christ - Saviour of Mankind. Decisions, decisions.

Anyway. The Deseret Morning News has this and this on it. The Trib also weighed in with not just one, two but three stories. (Okay, the last one is just a letter to the editor)

For the time being, Google is also indexing a few dozen stories on the matter.

I e-mailed one of the guys involved, Chip Thompson, asking for more information, media, comments, etc, but received only a terse reply directing me to their webpage: "www.goodnewsforlds.org" Apparently, there's "Good News for LDS!" :-) You can watch the DVD by chapters here.

Here's the trailer from youtube:





Fairly Innocent. But check out this other clip, where they take the gloves off:





I wonder if it's starting to sink in with members of the LDS Church - other Christians don't think you "belong" with them. If the LDS church fell apart tomorrow, they'd find another one to gang up on, or perhaps just bust into general mayhem.

Thank "God" for the secularists. If it weren't for them, the various Christian sects would be tearing each other - and the country - to pieces. What a bitter, yet strangely delicious, irony.

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Anonymous Calls me Out on Copyright Questions/Contradictions

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When running a blog, you occasionally run into exceptionally stupid comments. You have the trolls, you have the idiots, you have the naive, you have the... etc.

But in general, I've been pretty fortunate to have some extraordinarily thoughtful commentary. Yesterday I posted an article titled "Opinion - Christopher Thornblad - Don't trample Copyright? Pfft" in which I responded to a letter by Christopher Thornblad in the Deseret Morning News. I suspect I would probably fall on the same side as Mr. Thornblad on many topics, but on this particular one, I took exception.

I encourage you to read it. Go ahead. I'll wait. Done? You liar. You didn't read it, did you. Right-click, choose "Open in a new window" or "Open in a new tab" and read it. I'm gonna go make some dinner while you do that.

Okay.. You still didn't read it? *sigh* Sloth, all of you. Fine, here's the summary:

Mr. Thornblad was rebutting a letter from another writer over "CleanFlicks", (wiki) a company which "cleans up" the "naughty" scenes from movies so that God-Fearing types can enjoy roughly the same entertainment that the rest of us do, but without imperiling their immortal soul. (Or so they think.. Boy are they in for a surprise..) As an aside, here's an interesting article about them from July of last year in "Reason Magazine" entitled "CleanFlicks v. Kate Winslet's Breasts" - My money is on Kate Winslet's Breasts any day, just for the record. I don't care what they're up against.

Anyway, my article discussed some of the finer points of the DMCA (The Digital Millennium Copyright Act) (wiki) and why, ultimately, I sided with CleanFlicks.

Anyway, a thoughtful commentator left an anonymous note expressing surprise at my position, made some good points and called me out on an apparent contradiction in my own copyright notice which is included in the base template I begin every post with.

I've posted my comments there, but I think the exchange is worth reposting as a new thread on merit and for clarification sake. Frankly, I also would like to give "Anonymous" credit for their lucid commentary. (I hope ya'll feel free enough to post under your own 'handle', by the way.. I'm generally a pretty nice guy, I promise. My revenge list is short and hard to get on.)

So without further ado, here is the exchange:

DS, I’m a little surprised that you are in favor of removing copyright protection for all copyrighted material. Can you give us some background then on why you started adding the copyrighted symbol to all of your posting headings since January?

Here’s my take on copyright protection and altering videos: The tangible tape belongs to the customer who purchased it, but the artistic content belongs to the artist or copyright holder. I see no harm in the customer editing the tape to suit his/her tastes or even having someone else do it. BUT, if money is exchanged for this service to be done, THAT is where copyright infringement should kick in. CleanFlicks should not be allowed to take someone else’s work and profit from altering it. Now, if CleanFlicks wanted to become a non-profit organization and provide free movie editing to the masses, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. It’s the introduction of money into the equation that I have a problem with. Making money off of someone else’s idea, or compromising the artist’s ability to make money off of his/her own idea, is where I personally draw the line.

Anonymous, thanks for the comment. You actually brought up a good point, and I appreciate the recognition of the seeming disconnect between my actions and words.

First, I should clarify what I said about removing copyright protection: I think that copyright serves a legitimate function and that copyright protection itself shouldn't be eliminated. I do think it should be scaled back, and the numerous extensions of copyright are detrimental to art and our economy.

My problem is with the mechanisms being employed to limit fair use of copyrighted material. For instance, I have no problem with someone taking excerpts from my postings while making their own points, but I do have a problem with someone, say, taking my entire collection of postings and publishing them under their own name for profit. I think that copyright protection mechanisms should be removed because they are an attempt to limit fair use of copyrighted material.

This in and of itself wouldn't be so bad, because these mechanisms are almost always compromised (as was the case with DVD's and the Norwegian teen), but with the anti-circumvention provision of the DMCA, even if you can figure out a way to get around these copyright-control mechanisms you are committing a felony by doing so.

To answer your question, in early January I began adding a copyright symbol as part of each posting template on the advice of a family member. Even though this is a "poor man's copyright", it does give me some rights and privileges over my own work and would allow me some latitude if I felt others were misappropriating my work for their own ends.

You might also notice that around the same time, I removed all advertisements from my blog. I say this only to point out that the copyright symbol was not added for financial reasons.

Quick Disclaimer: Whether the blog will stay free from advertisements will largely depend on how my plans go to move to a server which has actual costs associated with it.

I have to disagree with your take on CleanFlicks. Philosophically I have problems with people altering a "whole work", because I do have respect for the "holistic" nature of a work of art, and hate to see that bastardized, but in the end, no man is an island, and no writing, software, music or other form of art is created without the influences of other art.

I am also sympathetic to the argument that if you don't want to see a movie, then don't see it - don't alter it to suit your tastes. Personally, this is what I do - although I have been tempted to download some "fan edits" of "Star Wars Episode I", where several scenes featuring that obnoxious whatever-it-is have been edited out.

But ultimately, CleanFlicks is fulfilling market demand. Although I have not investigated this, I don't think they are depriving the copyright holder or artist of any money due them - each DVD is still paid for. Assuming that, they are simply a "value-added" service provider, whose service, as repugnant as it may be to me, is adding to the industry and doesn't seem to detract from it in significant way that I can tell.

In any event, thank you for the thoughtful commentary and your pointed questions. I would like to e-mail you personally, but just as a heads up, I may put this up as its own post and because of the length of the comments.

Cheers,
DS

One other quick point:

You have probably noticed that articles, blogs and other written publications quote liberally from other sources. I think this is a good thing.

If I were to design some sort of floating, transparent image, some JavaScript which prevented the selection of text or some other mechanism to protect my "writing" from being copied, it could well be considered a legitimate protection scheme under the DMCA. I remember several incidences of this happening in the immediate wake of the DMCA. Token protections which were easily circumvented, but put into place to draw on the power of the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA.

Anyway, no matter how trivial it would be to circumvent it (and it would be trivial), anyone doing so - even for perfectly legitimate, "fair use", reasons - could conceivably face civil and criminal action. That is what I have a problem with.

DS

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Anyway, I hope that helps clarifies my position a bit, and again, thanks to the anonymous commentator.

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Live C-SPAN blogging - Dana Perino - Deer in Headlights/Kyle Sampson - Squirmy but a hint of integrity?

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The new White House press secretary Dana Perino (wiki) is a hottie, but she can hardly get through her rhetoric without faltering. (I'm watching a live C-SPAN feed)


Kyle Sampson has stated that Attorney General Gonzales's statement that he was not aware of the US Attorney firings was not true. Why do people dance around it. If this is the case, Gonzales LIED. Not "categorically false", not "inconsistent information", not "different recollection" not anything else. HE LIED. Stop dancing around it, Perino and White House Press Corps! HE LIED. Perino keeps repeating the same talking points. "The President wants the DOJ to be 'fully responsive'." They're not!

Here's another piece of nonsense coming out of the Whitehouse. They are desperately trying to portray the Democratically-controlled Congress as holding back "emergency funding," even though the President is promising to veto it.

C-Span has now cut back to the hearings with Sampson.

First of all, doesn't Kyle Sampson bear a striking resemblance to Karl Rove?

Now they are grilling Sampson on Patrick Fitzgerald. (wiki) Sampson believes he was a strong US Attorney, but would not provide an assessment on Fitzgerald one way or another. Because of "everything that was going on." Why should that matter unless he was conducting the investigation in a questionable fashion?

"Patrick Fitzgerald could be added to this list." Sampson says.

This is mesmerizing watching this in real-time.

When asked why he suggested Fitzgerald to be fired (of Fitzmas fame, for actually pursuing corruption regarding the Valerie Plame (wiki) leak with vigor and integrity)

"Maybe just to get a reaction out of them.."

I don't think so, Mr. Sampson. Come on. In any event, I'm glad the Democrats are actually doing their jobs.

Unfortunately, that's where I have to wrap it up. I'll never be a live blogger while I actually have a full time job. However, I will be putting together a wrap-up of the day's events in the next day or two.

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Video - Bill O'Reilly - Seriously losing his mind

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*blank look*

Old Bill is losing it. Unbelievable. He says Monica Goodling pleading the fifth is a good thing, and that anyone would do it, because of.... Scooter Libby. Are you kiddin' me, Bill? Are you friggin' kidding me? Scooter Libby is a felon, Bill. Scooter Libby isn't a felon because he testified, he's a felon because he perjured himself. You can't plead the fifth because you are planning on lying under oath, Bill. Come on, buddy! Shake it off! At least get back to some sense of rationality! *shakes head*





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Video - Olbermann: Pleading the Fifth and Contempt of Congress. Oh yeah, baby....

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Thrilling, yes. "Contempt of Congress..." This clip also has more on the 5th amendment.





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Opinion - Christopher Thornblad - Don't trample Copyright? Pfft.

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Don't trample on copyright
Sometimes I wonder whether people think through their arguments. W.L. Haynes of West Valley City (Readers' Forum, March 25) suggests that movies with questionable content can be made (so that voyeurs can fulfill their sexual fantasies) but that the copyright protection should be removed so that companies like CleanFlicks can alter them, in accord with the delicate sensibilities of the rest of us. Have we gone down the rabbit hole?
You have the right to speak as you will. You have the right to turn off or walk away from material that you find offensive. You do not have the right to alter someone's intellectual or artistic property simply because you disagree with its message.
That's why the Book of Mormon is protected by copyright.

Christopher Thornblad
Farmington

I have to disagree. I mean, the letter he is referring to is here, and written by W.L. Haynes who is worthy of our COMW award (Cranky Old Man of the Week) but in at least one aspect of this particular instance, I have to side with him on copyright protection. I think it should be removed. Not just for those "simulated and possibly real sex acts" but for all copyrighted material. I think that once you buy that DVD or CD, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want to with it, except, perhaps, duplicate it and sell it. But editing it? Why not? Having some friends over and watching it? Why not? Can I close my eyes during scary parts? If I buy it, why can't I do what I want with it?

The Book of Mormon analogy just doesn't stand either, I'm afraid. While the Book of Mormon may be copyrighted, there is nothing that prevents me from ripping out pages, highlighting portions I like, or redacting entire passages, and then passing that Book of Mormon along to someone else.

DVD's are different, because they are encrypted. Thanks to the efforts of a Norwegian teen, Jon Lech Johansen (Also known as "DVD JON") (wiki) many years ago, that encryption was broken and it became possible to decrypt movies to a format whereby you could edit them. (or duplicate them, compress them, etc.)

However, part of the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) (wiki) of 1996 included anti-circumvention" provisions. From Wikipedia:

"DMCA anti-circumvention provisions ....implemented a broad ban on the circumvention of copy prevention systems and required that all analog video recorders have support for a specific form of copy prevention commonly known as Macrovision built in."

In essence, if you make any attempt to "protect" your copyright, no matter how trivial, the breaking, or "circumvention" of such protection is in violation of Federal law. There are a broad array of exceptions, including these:

* Audiovisual works included in the educational library of a college or university’s film or media studies department, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of making compilations of portions of those works for educational use in the classroom by media studies or film professors. (A new exemption in 2006.)
* Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. (A renewed exemption, first approved in 2003.)
* Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete. A dongle shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured or if a replacement or repair is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. (Revised from a similar exemption approved in 2003.)
* Literary works distributed in ebook format when all existing ebook editions of the work (including digital text editions made available by authorized entities) contain access controls that prevent the enabling either of the book’s read-aloud function or of screen readers that render the text into a specialized format. (Revised from a similar exemption approved in 2003.)
* Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network. (A new exemption in 2006.)
* Sound recordings, and audiovisual works associated with those sound recordings, distributed in compact disc format and protected by technological protection measures that control access to lawfully purchased works and create or exploit security flaws or vulnerabilities that compromise the security of personal computers, when circumvention is accomplished solely for the purpose of good faith testing, investigating, or correcting such security flaws or vulnerabilities. (A new exemption in 2006.)

At some point I seem to remember Sen. Hatch saying he was going to get an exemption so that place like "cleanflicks" could operate within the law and not run afoul of these "anti-circumvention" provisions. I'm not sure what happened with that. It seems as though he succeeded on some front.

Another prominent aspect of the DMCA (while we're on the topic) is the "safe harbor" provision, which says, amongst other things, that if an ISP (Internet Service Provider) or other hosting provider receives a letter saying content they are hosting is copyrighted, that if they take it down, they can't be held liable. The problem is that there have been many of these types of letters sent out where no infringement has taken place.

Therefore companies can bully ISP's out of hosting content which falls under "fair use" because it simply isn't in the interest of the ISP to question the take-down request.

Copyright and intellectual property legislation is probably the most important, broadly impacting and least understood issues of the day. Consequently, the corporations are having their way with us. It's interesting - when it comes to these types of laws, Senator Orrin Hatch is one of the worst offenders and has often led the charge to ever-tighten restrictions on intellectual property.

They don't call him Hollywood Hatch for nothin'.

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Opinion - Bob Neale - If I were mayor

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If I were mayor ...
If I were mayor, I would look upon that as a job and not a religious calling. I would try not to forget my true priorities, which are:
1. I am a child of God.
2. I am a man, husband to my wife and father to my children.
3. I am an American. I love this country and the good life that I have.
4. I am a Utahn, simply because I live here.
5. From here I am many other things, but if I were mayor, this is where that job would reside.

Bob Neale
Salt Lake City

That's deep stuff there, Bob.

"From here I am many other things, but if I were mayor, this is where that job would reside." Huh? You mean in Utah? If you were the mayor of a city in Utah, your job would reside in Utah? ... Okay. I thought that was a given, but I'm glad you cleared it up.

You're an American, you're a Utahn, you're a man.. Good, good.. You've correctly pointed out that you are a husband to your wife and father to your children, and not the other way around... Good, good. Okay.

You meet all my prereq's! You've got my vote!

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This Pleases Me. (Googling Brett Tolman - Deseret Spectacle)

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Just tried doing a simple google search for "Brett Tolman" and got this result:

Google Search on Brett Tolman Showing The Deseret Spectacle as the 4th Hit


UPDATE: One last thing - I was oblivious to this entire Brett Tolman angle and may well have remained so if it were not for Part of the Plan pointing it out to me. Hat tip to him and very big thanks.

Word is gettin' out, apparently. This guy at least needs to speak up about what he knows. Pretending he didn't play a part just doesn't fly anymore. In the very least he can provide context and other information. He clearly knew what was going on, and he clearly knew the players involved.

Mr. Tolman, what did you know, and when did you know it?


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Opinions - Cheney / BYU Letter-Roundup-Spectacular at the Deseret Morning News!

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Cheney at Y.? Bad decision
I have one thing to say about the invitation of Dick Cheney to speak at my alma mater's commencement. "You have to be kidding me!" How can we support such an obviously harebrained decision?

Bart Mortensen
Aurora, Colo.

Colorado? Go back and write letters to the newspapers of your own liberal state, Heathen! You know nothing of our "special" relationship with the neo-conservatives!!

Not all at Y. back Cheney
I want to voice my opinion over the recent announcement that Vice President Dick Cheney will speak at my university's commencement. Please let the public know that not all students at BYU support this idea. I personally find Dick Cheney to be a morally reprehensible man. He has lied to the American public a number of times, including the Iran-Contra affair and this unfortunate war in Iraq. I do not think Mr. Cheney should be a representative of our school.
The LDS Church and Brigham Young University claim to be politically neutral; however, when we invite such a polemic figure to speak at our university we cannot hold that position. We ought to have invited someone who can offer moral and spiritual advice to the graduating class, not a man who is a combative politician.

Casey DuBose
Provo

This is literally the only lucid letter I've read on the Cheney/BYU discussion. Hat tip to student Casey DuBose. It actually is a little bit heartening that there is any controversy at all over this. Maybe some good will come from the moderate elements of the LDS church beginning to question the fusing of their religious ideology to the fuzzy ideologies of the Republican Party and its Neo-conservative elements.

Proud of Y. for Cheney invite
I am struck by a number of statements made in the article, "A Cheney Protest at Y?" I hope that the comment by Darren Hawkins that Dick Cheney "may be the most unpopular vice president in history" is a misquote — otherwise it demonstrates astounding historical myopia.
Does the name Spiro Agnew ring a bell? Andrew Johnson? Aaron Burr? Further, the notion that "he may be the most unpopular person in America right now, so, yes, where else could he go?" is troubling.
First, in its hyperbole (Barry Bonds and Simon Cowell likely carry more far-reaching negative name recognition) and, worse, those who oversee American higher education nationally are so close-minded and have drifted so far to the left that they would reject hearing an address by the man who is a heartbeat from being the most powerful person in the world.
I, for one, am gratified to be associated with a university that welcomes the vice president of the United States of America to its campus.

Andrew H. Dabczynski
professor of music education
Brigham Young University

Thank you, Mr. Dabczynski, Professor of Music Education, for laying it out for us. Let's look at your letter in a bit more detail:

"Does the name Spiro Agnew (DS: Quit after being indicted for Tax Evasion - (wiki)) ring a bell? Andrew Johnson? (DS: Succeeded to the Presidency after Abraham Lincoln was assassinated - first President to be impeached (and acquitted by a single vote) during the "reconstruction" period following the Civil War (wiki)) Aaron Burr? (DS: Mortally Wounded political rival Alexander Hamilton after challenging him to a duel - was indicted on murder charges. Interesting also in as much as he was that last Vice President to shoot someone (in 1804) before Vice President Cheney did (in 2006) (wiki)"

You're absolutely right. We should all be focusing on the 3 Vice Presidents in history who, so far at least, were even more unpopular than Vice President Cheney. Let's maintain perspective, guys. Of course, I'm not sure what polling data was available for these VP's, so I guess I'll just have to take Mr. Dabczynski's word that he has definitive data that they were less popular.

"Further, the notion that "he may be the most unpopular person in America right now, so, yes, where else could he go?" is troubling."

Yes, deeply troubling. Much more troubling than a religious institution perverting its values and religious faith by associating itself with war-mongering, chicken-hawk, shot-his-friend-in-the-face-with-a-shotgun Vice President.

First, in its hyperbole (Barry Bonds and Simon Cowell likely carry more far-reaching negative name recognition)

Wanna back that one up with anything but your word, big guy?

"...those who oversee American higher education nationally are so close-minded and have drifted so far to the left that they would reject hearing an address by the man who is a heartbeat from being the most powerful person in the world."

So close-minded is synonymous with drifting to the left? Again, want to back that up with anything or is this just more mindless recitation of Republican talking points? Nice description, though. "A heartbeat from being the most powerful person in the world." It's probably the best life insurance policy President Bush ever took out - getting a Vice President even less popular than he is. One other thing... Aren't the President and the Vice-President supposed to serve the people? Have we completely lost that perspective and now revere them as virtual kings? Apparently the music department at BYU does. What, if any, ramifications that will have has yet to be seen.

I, for one, am gratified to be associated with a university that welcomes the vice president of the United States of America to its campus.

Well, if the other letters are any indication, the operative words of your letter are "I, for one."

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Brett Tolman and Daniel P. Collins (Daniel Collins - the "Collins Special") or "How far down the Rabbit Hole do you want to Go?"

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What an interesting turn of events. From yahoo news, a Gonzales aide is pleading the fifth:

Monica Goodling, who was involved in the firings, said: "I have decided to follow my lawyer's advice and respectfully invoke my constitutional right because the ... circumstances present a perilous environment in which to testify."

Wow. Well, I knew this whole thing was dripping slime, but I honestly didn't think anything illegal had been done. Of course, Ms. Goodling pleading the fifth doesn't necessarily mean something illegal has been done, either. However, it does lead me to one of three likely conclusions:

1) Something illegal has gone on 2) This is a mechanism by which to conceal the wrongdoings of others or 3) Ms. Goodling's lawyer is being pretty "liberal" with the concept and intent of the 5th amendment, (wiki) which says, amongst other things, that no one should be compelled to stand as witness against themselves.

But more has also been revealed. The Deseret Morning News has more on the whole Gonzales/US Attorney scandal, and actually says a bit more about the elusive Utah US Attorney, Brett Tolman, but still fails to follow up on what seems to be an obvious lead in the larger scheme of things. From the article:

" Brett Tolman, now the U.S. attorney for Utah, put the provision in the Patriot Act reauthorization passed in early 2006 while he was working for the Senate Judiciary Committee, based on e-mails released by the Justice Department and statements made by Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., who was the chairman of the committee at the time.
E-mails from November 2005 show Moschella explaining different options to Tolman including a "more comprehensive fix" that would allow an interim U.S. attorney to serve until the president nominated a new person. Moschella explained that "judges should not be appointing USA's period for separation of powers issue."
Tolman tells Moschella, "I will get the comprehensive fix done." The bill became law a few months later but the bill passed Monday would revert to the court appointing an attorney until a new one is confirmed."

"I will get the comprehensive fix done."

That was Tolman. This suggests significant understanding and complicity in a larger conspiracy to bypass government checks and balances. Where is Brett Tolman? Why is he being given a pass? This makes no sense to me at all. I am sure that he is not the biggest fish to fry, but still - why is he not being questioned??


This pdf contains a series of e-mail's.

This pdf is a page from the above specifically referencing Brett Tolman and his now infamous "I will get the comprehensive fix done."

This pdf contains another mention of Tolman which reflects his understanding of the situation and what they were trying to accomplish.

Here's an interesting pdf of a single page which caught my attention because it is using a Yahoo E-mail Address, which frankly, kind of disturbs me a little bit. I'm not sure that's the safest address to be conducting government business from, ya know? It otherwise seems unrelated, other than....


Anyway, here's one more interesting twist on the whole thing. After reading through the e-mail's, I came across one of the originators of the idea. At first, I kept wondering what the subject line of these e-mail's meant. "Collins Special" or in one case "RE: Dan Collins Special." Frankly, this guy scares the shit out of me.

After looking through the e-mail's, I came across this e-mail address: CollinsDP@MTO.com

The domain mto.com belongs to a law firm called Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP. Searching around, we find that one of the lawyers working at this law firm is none other than Daniel P. Collins. His e-mail on Daniel Collins MTO profile is listed differently, Daniel.Collins@mto.com. But check out his bio:

Daniel P. Collins
Los Angeles Office
Email Daniel.Collins@mto.com
Phone (213) 683-9125
Fax (213) 683-5125
V-Card:

Practice - Litigation

Education - Harvard University (A.B., summa cum laude, 1985)

Stanford Law School (J.D., with Distinction, 1988) - Order of the Coif

Clerkship
Judge Dorothy W. Nelson, U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, 1988-1989
Justice Antonin Scalia, U.S. Supreme Court, 1991-1992


DANIEL COLLINS is a Partner in the Los Angeles office of Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP. Mr. Collins’ practice focuses on appellate litigation and complex civil litigation. He has represented a wide variety of clients in numerous appellate matters in the Ninth Circuit, the U.S. Supreme Court, and the California appellate courts. These appellate matters have included cases involving securities law, federal preemption, the First Amendment, civil RICO (DS: Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (wiki)), and qui tam litigation (DS: (wiki) - Qui tam is a legal provision in the United States under the False Claims Act (31 U.S.C. § 3729 et seq.), which allows for a private individual, or whistleblower with knowledge of past or present fraud committed against the U.S. federal government to bring suit on its behalf. Its name is an abbreviation of the Latin phrase “qui tam pro domino rege quam pro se ipso in hoc parte sequitur,” meaning “he who [sues] for the king as well as for himself.")). Mr. Collins’ civil litigation practice has included the defense of significant cases under the Alien Tort Statute (DS: (wiki) - The Alien Tort Statute, 28 U.S.C. § 1350, (ATS) is a federal law that states, in relevant part: "The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of any civil action by an alien for a tort only, committed in violation of the law of nations or a treaty of the United States." Recently, this statute has become significant as a means of allowing American government, military, and corporate leaders to be held responsible in a court of law for the human rights abuses committed as a result of their presence in a foreign country. This is regardless of whether the abuses were committed by someone within an American organization, or whether the abuses were committed by a local group empowered by the presence of the American organization.")), including winning summary judgment in one of the first such cases filed against a corporation (DS: (wiki) - Found this reference "For UNOCAL CORP, a Calif corp, defendant: Edwin V Woodsome, Jr, Kristin A Linsley, Daniel P Collins, Munger Tolles & Olson, Los Angeles, CA." - apparently this concerned a company called Unocal, a - surprise, surprise - oil & gas company. From wiki - "Myanmar - Unocal, along with Total S.A., was charged with numerous human rights violations in the construction of the Yadana Pipeline in Myanmar, also known as Burma. Since 1988, Myanmar has been governed by a military junta. The pipeline consortium (which included Unocal) employed the Burmese military, according to the company, to protect the pipeline from insurgents and terrorists. The Burmese soldiers have been accused by villagers in the vicinity of the pipeline of torture, rape and forced labor. Unocal has condemned these actions and points out that the company does not control the Burmese military and did not hire them to police residents.
Unocal is the defendant in legal action brought in the United States under the Alien Tort Claims Act of 1789, a law originally designed to aid victims of pirates. The United States Department of Justice has taken measures to oppose use of the law in human rights cases, and business groups have lobbied the U.S. Congress to repeal the law. It is said to interfere with U.S. foreign relations. This would nullify all pending lawsuits filed under the act. Plaintiffs and Unocal settled the lawsuits against Unocal for an unspecified amount in April, 2005." (a ruling now under review in the Ninth Circuit). He has also represented a major tobacco company in numerous federal and state cases filed by union trust funds seeking recovery of healthcare expenses, ultimately obtaining dismissals with prejudice in all cases. (DS: Sounds like a super evi-.. er.. nice guy)

Over the course of his career, Mr. Collins has argued in numerous federal and state appellate and trial courts. In particular, he has argued 23 cases in the Ninth Circuit, including one case before the en banc court. Mr. Collins has also argued before the International Court of Justice in The Hague. Mr. Collins is a member of the California Bar and the District of Columbia Bar, and is admitted to practice before the Sixth, Ninth, Eleventh, and D.C. Circuits.

Between June 2001 and September 2003, Mr. Collins served as an Associate Deputy Attorney General in the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, U.S. Department of Justice, and during the same period he also served as the Department’s Chief Privacy Officer. (DS: Chief Privacy Officer??) While serving in the Deputy Attorney General’s Office, Mr. Collins coordinated the Department’s efforts on several major legislative and policy initiatives, and testified multiple times before the Judiciary Committees of both the House and the Senate. In particular, Mr. Collins worked extensively on the Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today (“PROTECT”) Act of 2003, which included provisions to combat child pornography and child abuse and to reform federal sentencing laws, as well as on the Identity Theft Penalty Enhancement Act. (DS: These two acts are also viewed in connection with the Bush administration's efforts to force ISP's (internet service providers) to retain data on your every action on the internet for up to two years) Mr. Collins also coordinated the Department’s 2003 review and revision of its policies on charging of criminal offenses, plea bargaining, sentencing recommendations, and sentencing appeals. He also played a key role in the formulation of the Civil Rights’ Division’s guidelines on prohibiting the use of racial profiling in federal law enforcement. (DS: Bang up job, Mr. Collins) Mr. Collins also worked on a number of matters relating to the war on terror, including the establishment of a Terrorist Screening Center.

Prior to joining Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP in 1996, Mr. Collins served three and one-half years as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Criminal Division of the Office of the United States Attorney in Los Angeles, prosecuting more than 60 criminal cases, including eight jury trials. For more than half his tenure in the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Mr. Collins was a member of the Criminal Appeals Section, where he supervised the preparation of more than 100 appellate briefs and argued numerous cases in the Ninth Circuit.

Mr. Collins received his A.B. summa cum laude from Harvard College in 1985. While at Harvard, he was elected First Marshal of Phi Beta Kappa. He earned his J.D., with distinction, from Stanford University in 1988, and was a member of the Order of the Coif. He served as a note editor for the Stanford Law Review, and was awarded the Stanford Law Review Board of Editors’ Award for outstanding editorial contributions to the Review.

After graduating law school, Mr. Collins was a law clerk for the Honorable Dorothy W. Nelson of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (1988-1989). From 1989 until 1991, he served as an Attorney Adviser in the Office of Legal Counsel in the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. He clerked for the Honorable Antonin Scalia of the U.S. Supreme Court during the October 1991 Term (1991-1992).

From 1997 to 1998, Mr. Collins was an adjunct professor, teaching appellate advocacy at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

Daniel P. Collins. A guy who seems to seep evil, is found at the root of this attempt to subvert checks and balances for the Bush administration. Shocker.



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Video - Mitt Romney has his head handed to him by Fred Thompson

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"has his head handed to him".. You know, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I have a mindblowing talent for alliteration. :-)

Former Senator Fred "Dalton" Thompson (wiki), of "Law and Order" (wiki) fame, has thrown a wrench in the Mitt Romney machine. Just earlier this month Romney was polling at 8%. With the possible entrance of Fred Thompson into the ring for the nomination to be the Republican candidate, Romney's numbers are now polling at right around 3%. Thompson, who is a fantastic actor but is tragically afflicted with unabashed Republicanism, seems to be quite popular.

KSL has the story, and for a little while, Google News will be indexing the meteoric rise of the good former Senator and "Law and Order" star and his counterpart, the former governor and inescapably branded Mormon, Mitt Romney.

Here's Thompson being interviewed on the news channel that makes Republicans feel like they're wrapped up in a warm, fuzzy blanket of loveiness: (Fox News/Brit Hume)





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Video - Remembering JFK - Secrecy and the Press

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This video was pieced together using selected outtakes from a talk JFK gave before the American Newspaper Publishers Association. For the full transcript, following the link, or download the mp3 below, which has the talk in its entirety. Obviously, the author of this video clip takes some liberties in using selected excerpts and emotional imagery, but I think it's worth watching and listening and remembering that there is nothing patriotic about being servile or turning a blind eye to a government who demands absolute power and secrecy in the name of national security.

From the JFK Library Website:

The President and the Press:
Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association

President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel
New York City, April 27, 1961




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Opinion - David M. Candland - Bizarre Analogy of the Week Award (BAWA)

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Non-Salt Lakers' views valid
To think opinions about Rocky Anderson from people outside of Salt Lake are worthless is folly. What a mayor does in the capital city of a state can affect the entire state. Did New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin's action — or inaction — during Hurricane Katrina not have a bearing on Louisiana and surrounding environs? If the Readers' Forum featured letters from only Salt Lake City readers, what a dull place it would be.

David M. Candland
Taylorsville

Mr. Candland is either oblivious to or deliberately misleading on two points:

1. Comparing the Salt Lake City Mayor to the New Orleans Mayor is stupid, unless Mr. Candland is concerned that some Salt Lake City specific disaster will occur which will result in a flood of refugees to other Utah areas. Sans that, I hope Mr. Candland can come up with a better "affects the whole state" example to explain the interminable, poisonous letters which poor from outside of Salt Lake whining about Rocky Anderson.

2. Nobody is saying the Readers' Forum should only include letters from residents of SLC. What has been suggested, is that people like Mr. Candland worry about their own mayors instead of whining about the mayor of a place where they don't even live. In other words, complain about Taylorsville Mayor Russ Wall all you want. After all, I'm sure something fascinating and scandalous is going on with your city celebrating it's 10th birthday this year. Focus on that.

Taylorsville Mayor Russ Wall

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Opinion - James Miller - Why Must Global Warming be Politicized?

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Global warming not political
Why is there any need to make global warming a political issue? Global warming is caused by dirty air. Every Utah resident surely appreciates clean air, regardless of political opinion. Who cares if Al Gore or Newt Gingrich is urging action to reverse global warming? It is a critical issue, no matter who the messenger is.

James Miller
Park City

Good question, and one that has a relatively simple answer: Global warming is politicized because doing something about it costs certain people money - the oil industry is probably the biggest one. What would happen if tomorrow we came up with a clean, renewable energy source that was practically free? The oil companies would fold. Every operation they have going would collapse in a heap of dust. Do you think they are going to let that happen? No, and they for damn sure aren't going to let a bunch of people cost them money trying to "save the planet."

Speaking of which, the planet will be just fine. It's not going anywhere. We are.

So to answer your question more concisely, global warming is politicized because money interests are involved. Now ask yourself what reason people like Al Gore and the bajillion scientists who back him up would "make up" a story like this? They mock them for it, but what evil intent could possibly lurk behind this vast and diffuse conspiracy to conjure up a frightening "global warming" lie? There is none, but partisans will continue to come up with off-the-wall crap because their dignified, honest party tells them to.

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Video - Fox News: Chris Horner - Gore must be Unabomber to have Credibility

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This is typical. Distort the story, mock the other side, add nothing substantive to the discussion. Typical of what you would expect from Hannity and his "supportive" guests. They're talking about Gore here, and Horner makes the assertion that you have to be like the Unabomber, and completely remove yourself from the grid, if you really want to have any credibility or not be considered a hypocrite while discussing energy and the looming global warming crisis.

Of course, the energy that Gore does consume in his houses is green energy - which he pays more for - but they're not interested in that. They just make ridiculous assertions and try to shut down the discussion. What a bunch of disingenuous loons.





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Video - An Ode to Creation "Science" - Hilarious

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This is hilarious. It's long, but it's worth it listening through the whole thing.

My favorite lines:

"Then Cain and Abel he begat - and they begat all of the rest to us
Which means they must have been incestuous - I'm gonna have to pray about that.."

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"God made the world just like it is - He made the fossils just to tease us..
Old bones to test our faith in Jesus - Yeah this will all be on the quiz."






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Video - Fox News "Business" Analysis or Partisan Proselytizing?

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I think we know which one it is. If you're a business person, and you want real information, steer clear of these clowns. Frankly, this borders on fraudulent. If they are purporting to be analyzing financial concerns, and they are deliberately skewing news and opinion for partisan aims, you'd think that such a fraudulent misrepresentation would near a legal requirement to hold them liable.





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Opinion - Mark S. Tiller - Where's your outrage been, true believer?

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Cheney invite inappropriate
I am not an alumnus or graduate of BYU, but I am a tithe payer and a concerned member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Why invite the current vice president to speak at BYU? Ponder the 13th Article of Faith and the ways Vice President Dick Cheney fails in this tenet — particularly the part about believing in being honest, true, benevolent and in doing good to all men.
Why invite a man who endorses "waterboarding" and shrugs it off as a "no-brainer"?
How does the invitation of this man and what he stands for serve the LDS Church and the graduates of its flagship institution?
I am deeply disturbed and saddened by the news of even considering him as appropriate to speak at BYU.

Mark S. Tiller
Salt Lake City

I honestly want to have more sympathy for you and your letter, Mr. Tiller, but I'm finding it hard to come up with. How does the invitation of this man and what he stands for server the LDS Church and the graduates of its flagship institution? It doesn't in any spiritual way, that's for sure. What it does do, however, is continue the trend of the last decade, as militant Christianity has slowly overtaken any genuinely spiritual tenets of the Christian faith and the Latter Day Saints in general.

Where has your outrage been as Republicanism, War, Opportunism, and Capitalism somehow became fused with your faith? Mr. Cheney speaking is a perfect representation of what the types of militant, ends-justifies-the-means, Jesus-was-a-war-mongering-capitalist "cultural warriors" the Y is churning out. PERFECT.

Think about it and get back to me as it settles in that the Latter Day Saints and Christianity in general have slowly been infiltrated by a political movement who views you and your faith with scorn, and only as a vehicle to help execute their broader agenda.

And then when you're done thinking about that, think about this - Karl Rove, Kyle Sampson, and Brett Tolman, three men who seem to be neck-deep in this latest scandal: They are all from Utah. The last two were good little BYU graduates.

Why invite Cheney, you ask? Why wouldn't you? He represents the unholy amalgam which Christianity and Neo-conservatism have become.

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Oddly Strong Interest in Coffee Drinking Angel Moroni

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Strange that a story about a coffee-guzzling Angel Moroni ™ would garner so many hits. Some interesting comments on that story as well:

I would like to see the actual trademark. I ran a PTO search and found various Church-registered trademarks, but didn't see one involving the angel Moroni. I'm far from an expert in patient/trademark, but I don't want to assume it's true without seeing the proof.

Posted by Voice of Utah (blog) | March 25, 2007 8:31 AM

I decided to try and search out some information on the Angel Moroni ™ being trademarked as well. Using the USPTO Trademark Search Engine, "TESS", I came up with a single hit:

Word Mark MORONI BITTER M CASA FONDATA NEL 1843
Goods and Services (CANCELLED) IC 033. US 049. G & S: Alcoholic Bitters
Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code 03.01.02 - Lions (heraldic)
20.03.10 - Alcohol bottle labels; Bottles, labels for alcohol bottles; Labels, alcohol bottles
24.07.04 - Medals
24.09.07 - Advertising, banners; Banners
24.11.01 - Crowns closed at the top
Serial Number 73384892
Filing Date September 13, 1982
Current Filing Basis 44E
Original Filing Basis 44E
Published for Opposition February 21, 1984
Registration Number 1278242
Registration Date May 15, 1984
Owner (REGISTRANT) Zucca Rabarzucca S.p.A. CORPORATION ITALY 47 Via Vincenzo da Seregno Milan ITALY
Attorney of Record Marvin R. Stern
Disclaimer No claim is made to the exclusive right to use the words "Bitter" and "Casa Fondata Nel 1843", apart from the mark as shown.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Cancellation Date October 24, 1990

I also did a search for "angel" for which there are many hits, including, interestingly enough, "Angels of Meth," but I couldn't quite work up the gumption to click on the link and find out what they were about. In fact, I did quite a few searches, trying different keyword combinations. Couldn't find anything about the Angel Moroni ™ being a registered trademark.

Anyway, more comments:

It also doesn't officially say anywhere in the scriptures or what have you that coffee is expressly forbidden. Just says hot beverages. So bye-bye hot chocolate, soup, etc. Silly what get's everybody's panties in a twist, innit?

Posted by Alicia (blog) | March 26, 2007 4:40 PM

Well Alicia, this is what I was able to find out (I left this in the comments of the original story as well):

__________________

The specific reference they're making is from "Doctrine and Covenants 89" which can found on the church website here.

7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.



I don't know, Alicia. Is soup really a beverage? I usually "eat" soup with a spoon. But I'll admit that sometimes I "drink" it as though it were a beverage. I also never bathe in soup... But actually, I don't wash with anything that could really be considered a strong drink. Hmm..

In any event, "hot drinks" can be interpreted pretty widely. That's why we have those in positions of "authority" who explain to the rest of us - who are just too stupid to see the obvious I guess -what "hot drinks" is really supposed to mean.

Here's an interesting passage, too:

12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.


I don't see this stuff being used only in "times of winter, or of cold, or famine" or sparingly in any way, really. (Apparently if it's a particularly cold summer evening, it's okay..)

In any event, Moroni drinking coffee through his trumpet is still funny as hell to me. But take that with a grain of salt, 'cause I'm pretty sure I won't be joining the party in the Celestial Kingdom.

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Coffee Drinking Angel Moroni ™

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CNN picked up a local story about a "Just Add Coffee" T-shirt which features the Angel Moroni ™ drinking coffee through that big trumpet of his. The Deseret News has the story as does ABC channel 4. But the CNN headline is the best: "Mormons miffed over coffee-swilling angel image"

At the Tribune, people were really quite upset at the advertisements. Listen to one letter from the "reader advocate":

"Showing the Angel Moroni with his trumpet bent upward so a disembodied hand can pour coffee from a drip pot into his mouth is offensive. The statue on the top of the Temple is meaningful for Mormons. To show this statue drinking coffee is not playful or cute. It is hurtful. Why would you accept such an ad?"

I'm guessing the people who don't drink coffee aren't the target demographic of the ad. You can always exercise those "free market principles" that Jesus is apparently now a champion of, and not buy the coffee. The "Reader Advocate" said this:

In an area with such a large proportion of LDS members, it is an offensive ad, since many Mormons follow the Word of Wisdom's call for total abstinence from coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco. To portray the Angel Moroni breaking this word is not funny; it is offensive. A bar ad in Boston showing Jesus doing shots with scantily clad college coeds would offend the many Catholics in that area.

Yeah, but in an area with so many non-Mormons who get sick of Mormons legislating against them, the ad is friggin' hilarious. And since they're the target demo, I say thumbs up to the ad.

In any event, the LDS Church is unamused and sicked (sicced?) their Intellectual Property Legal Pit bulls on them, claiming the angel Moroni ™ is a registered trademark. I had to admit that I was a little surprised the the angel Moroni ™ was a trademark, but hey, what do I know about the legalisms behind "God's Master Plan ™."




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Opinion - Bruce Van Orden - Cheney Sends Wrong Message? Uhhh....

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Cheney's message wrong
I strongly object to BYU's invitation to Vice President Dick Cheney to speak at the April 2007 commencement exercises. His presence will cause many people — perhaps even the majority of Utahns — to believe and occasionally to state that BYU and the LDS Church prefer Republicans over Democrats. Furthermore, this invitation is a tacit acceptance of the misbegotten war in Iraq that Vice President Cheney promoted and has defended.

Bruce Van Orden
Springville

His presence will cause many people - perhaps even the majority of Utahns - to believe and occasionally to state that BYU and the LDS Church prefer Republicans over Democrats?

They do.

I think Cheney giving the keynote sends exactly the right message. More than any other faith the Mormon ideology has fused itself with Republicanism. Vice President Cheney represents exactly what they believe and there is no mixed messages to be had. Let's get real.

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Opinion - Daniel Camp - Hey Non-SLC-Residents - Move here or shut up

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Rocky hatred pointless
I have a fantastic idea for the loyal "Bushies" living in Bountiful, South Jordan, Sandy — and other places — who have such deep hatred for Mayor Rocky Anderson: Move to Salt Lake City and actually vote for Salt Lake City's mayor. That way your endless flow of letters to the editor won't be so utterly worthless.

Daniel Camp
Murray

People who don't live in Salt Lake City hate Rocky Anderson with a passion. Shocker. The Republicans have a death grip on the rest of the state, and it drives them insane that Salt Lake City isn't all wrapped up for them as well. Well cry me a river you self-righteous, uncompromising, homophobic loons.

What do you expect? Salt Lake City is the one place where independents and Democrats outnumber Republicans. If Republicans weren't so belligerent and nauseating in this state, they could probably take more Republican spots in SLC. But because they are so uncompromising and nauseatingly self-righteous, the independents tend to vote the other way. So feel free to move here and vote, or do what you've always done - write meaningless, whiny letters to the Deseret Morning News bemoaning SLC political choices.

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Video - Analysis of John Gibson Islamic Fear Mongering Lunacy

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John Gibson is distinctive amongst wingnut's by his apparent stupidity. In the following video and transcript, he says that Minnesota is on its way to becoming America's first Somali-Muslim" state, which will fall under Muslim law, or "Sharia Law." The evidence, well let's hear him say it. May analysis follows the video.





Okay. Frist, Mr. Gibson, you are an idiot and a loon. Let's tear apart some of your more ridiculous contentions, shall we?

What's going on in Minnesota? It seems to be on its way to be America's first Somali-Muslim state.


Really? What a remarkably bold statement! What radical changes are taking place which would cause you to make such a contention?

Then we have the situation with Target where Muslim cashiers refused to handle a package of bacon at the checkout stand. Target has now reassigned those people so they don't have to handle pork, which means that Target has agreed to go along with Sharia law.


Target moves Muslim cashiers to non-pork-handling positions, therefore, Target has agreed to "go along" with Sharia law, a broad framework and legal array which includes such punishments as stoning to death for infidelity, or cutting off hands and feet for theft.

This is the type of John Gibson logic that shows what a moron he is. (I'm sorry, I know that's strong language, but he's a moron.) If you are an employer, and you let a Christian not work on Sunday because it's against their beliefs, does that mean you have now abandoned the legal framework of the United States of America and adopted Old Testament Civil provisions? Of course not, and this kind of "connection" that Gibson makes is plain old bigotry, deliberate division and good old fashioned hate mongering.

Personally, I believe that people should assimilate into the culture of the place they are moving to, but the logic, hate, and fear that people like Gibson and his followers trade on is beyond stupid.

Then news today that in a suburb of Woodbury a man and a woman were found with a thousand pounds of khat.

What is khat you might ask? It is a mildly hallucinogenic drug which is a favorite of Somalis. When I was in Somali the biggest crowds at the outdoor markets were always around the khat stall, where a new load of the leafy drug had arrived from the bush country or from neighboring Kenya.


Yes, amongst thousands of other drug busts, there was about $400,000 worth of Khat discovered in Minnesota. (google>>) And just like all of the other drug busts, the people involved were arrested and the drugs were impounded. But John Gibson's take on this seems to imply that because it is khat (wiki) we are somehow letting this one slide. We aren't. He's lying. Or at the very best, deliberately misleading. This is becoming the defining characteristic of "conservative" punditry - lying at best, deliberately misleading at worst.

All these indicators say one thing very dramatically: Somalis coming to Minnesota are not assimilating. They are bringing the Muslim culture of that desert country to Minnesota's snowy woods. They may have to wear warmer clothing, but the Somalis want Islamic law just like back home. And they want the same illegal drug they had back home, too.


Actually, it means that some are not assimilating. And those that are coming and bringing their "Muslim culture" aren't necessarily importing illegal drugs, refusing to taxi around certain people, or handle pork directly or indirectly. But Gibson would have you believe that this is an enormous tide, with all immigrants behaving the same. He also asserts - baselessly - that Somalis "want Islamic law just like back home." If they did, why did they leave? Mr. Gibson, you are a moron.

Minnesota is famously liberal and now all eyes are on the state to see how voters there react to this onslaught against their culture and law. Are Minnesotans going to be so open-minded they say, sure you can have a different kind of law here, just for you and your people. We don't mind. We'll pretend we don't notice.


All eyes are on Minnesota? Really? Are you sure it's not just your eyes, your wingnut viewers, and other fear-mongering pundits desperate for a hateful audience you can stir into a frenzy?

Minnesota is famously liberal? Let's take a look:

U.S. Congress
Senate: 1 D, 1 R
House: 6 D, 2 R

Elections
1996 Presidential Vote:
Bill Clinton 51%, Bob Dole 35%, Ross Perot 12%
1992 Presidential Vote:
Bill Clinton 43%, George Bush 32%, Ross Perot 24%
1988 Presidential Vote:
Michael S. Dukakis 53%, George Bush 46%

Hmm. It does look as though they wax Democrat, but "famously liberal"? Sounds like a distortion of the truth. Shocker.


That's My Word.


And that's why you're a moron. (amongst other reasons)

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Mitt Romney does NOT heart Rocky Anderson. Anymore.

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Mitt, mayor friendship on rocks

COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has cooled his friendship with Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson now that the liberal Democrat has called for President Bush's impeachment. Anderson's views about Bush have created a rift

"Anderson's views about Bush have created a rift.." Uh huh. What a load of crap. Like everything else, Mitt Romney is more than willing to abandon a friend because it is politically inconvenient for him to continue it. I continue to be amazed by Romney's lack of political courage, his moral flexibility, and his willingness to fold or "flip-flop" on anything - including friends now - if it hurts his image with the evangelicals.

The modern day Republican Party has become a bastardization of what conservatism once was. True conservatism actually had laudable traits - Contemporary Republicanism is so lacking in moral integrity, intellectual (and other) honesty and basic scruples that I truly wonder if it can bring itself back from the depths to which it has sunk.

Now it largely consists of the fanatical, the willfully ignorant and the self-absorbed. The fusing of Republican Conservatism to Evangelical Christianity by neoconservative influences has created a monster which lacks any resemblance to the components it absorbed. Fiscal responsibility, states rights and other positive traits of classic conservatism have disappeared. Helping the poor, avoiding ostentatious displays of your faith, and seeking humility are so far from modern day Christianity that if Jesus did come down, he would bitch slap the shit out of every evangelical "leader" in America. (And not just the meth-smoking, gay-prostitute-hiring, lying their asses off hypocrites, either.)

Mitt Romney: One more reason not to vote for the spineless, disloyal, flip-flopping, pandering joke of the '08 race for the Republican nomination.

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Video - Rocky vs. O'Reilly - Partisan Psychosis Experiment

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This is hard to say, but O'Reilly may well have been in the worst form I've ever seen him. O'Reilly behaved like a spoiled child during the interview, and then later mocked Mayor Anderson saying in a falsetto voice "Don't call me names." What is he, a six year old?

What's even more fascinating to me though is how Republican letter writers interpreted the interview in letters to the Deseret Morning News the new morning.

For instance, "Ron Anderson" characterized the interview like this:

Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson was manhandled on national television by Bill O'Reilly. There was a lesson to be learned for the citizens of this city. Let's learn from our mistakes and make a vow to elect an official next time who really wants the job of mayor rather than someone who uses it as a catalyst to push his or her personal agenda.
Let's bring a sense of honor back to the office and vote for the candidate who truly reflects our sense of community.

Mayor Anderson was manhandled? Really? I mean, he was cut off repeatedly, called names, and handled himself calmly while pundit with the maturity of a pre-schooler spewed insults and threw a tantrum. Is that what you call man-handling? Is that the type of behavior which reflects your values or "sense of community"? I'll take Rocky Anderson over your hero O'Reilly any day.

And then there was "Joan Hudgins" from Orem who had this to say:

After watching Bill O' Reilly interview Mayor Rocky Anderson, it was apparent that Bill could barely suffer him. The main subject of the interview was the mayor's insistence that President Bush should be impeached and that there was a constitutional basis upon which this could be done.
The wisdom of how the war has been waged can be debated by people of good will who have differing opinions. But by his obvious and baseless prejudice, the mayor of Salt Lake City has brought shame upon his constituents.
Any city or state is capable of producing people who are dishonorable or even crazed. It is only a negative reflection and embarrassment for a community when those people are elected officials.

It was apparent Bill could barely suffer him? What was apparent to me is that Bill O'Reilly had no idea what he was talking about, could not stand on any fact or reasonable platform, and so reverted to what he always does - self-righteous posturing, cutting people off, calling them names, etc etc. I guess this is the new hero of the American right. If that's so, then no wonder droves of citizens are distancing themselves from this new childish, grotesque self-righteousness that seems to be steadily losing its grip on reality. Rocky Anderson handled himself with exceptional reserve and obviously knew what he was talking about. Bill O'Reilly had nothing except his same old bag of tricks. Again, I'll take Rocky any day.

Anyway, it's the same old thing - unsinkable rubber duckies. They can call night "day" and left "right" - anything to defend their crumbling, embarrassingly idiotic ideologies.





DS
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Opinion - Doug Dansie - Ultra-Liberal Deseret Morning News Brimming with Liberal Bias

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'Right-wing' label shows bias
The Deseret Morning News calls Bill O'Reilly "ultra-conservative" and the Salt Lake Tribune labels him "right-wing," but neither paper used similarly loaded adjectives to describe Mayor Rocky Anderson. The one-sided use of inflammatory adjectives is a perfect example of why many of us perceive media bias and why there is corresponding media resentment. Either label them all or don't label any.

Doug Dansie
Salt Lake City

Doug Dansie is also quickly approaching Deseret Spectacle Legend status as he continues his obsession with the ubiquitous "liberal media", whose inescapable influence contorts otherwise patriotic Americans into fanatical, Godless, terrorist-loving America haters. He has, of course, graced the pages of the Deseret Spectacle before.

This is a classic example of partisan psychosis. Mr. Dansie, who I assume saw the actual "interview" between O'Reilly and Anderson, doesn't look at O'Reilly's childishness, his contempt, his name-calling, his mindless defense of neoconservatism, he focuses - like a laser beam - on the use of "ultra-conservative" by the Deseret Morning News and bemoans the lack of a similar label for Rocky Anderson.

The suggestion that the Deseret Morning News is laughable. The suggestion that they have had anything but disdain for Rocky Anderson, who they have repeatedly attacked, editorialized against and investigated, is sheer lunacy.

Finally, does Mr. Dansie consider "right-wing" or "ultra-conservative" to truly be "inflammatory adjectives"? I have to admit I was surprised by the "ultra-conservative" label, but is "right-wing" really inflammatory? And more to the point - which Mr. Dansie seems incapable of acknowledging - do the labels apply? Of course they do! O'Reilly is an arrogant, partisan, ultra-conservative, right-wing nut job, and apparently, his loyal followers who write letters on his behalf are not too far behind.

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Red vs. Blue - Not What You Think (probably) P-NSFW

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After a two day hiatus, let's start with something light. If "Red vs. Blue" means something more to you than Democrats and Republicans, you just might have an element of geek to you. If it doesn't, it's not going to hurt you to know what it is.

Red vs. Blue (wiki) is a new kind of media they call machinima (wiki) - movies where the "actors" are characters from video games or other virtual generation. Red vs. Blue is one of the earliest, most popular examples of machinima, based off the characters in the game "Halo." If you have ever played Halo, you'll probably think this is hilarious. You may find it so regardless. In any event, you'll have a touch more geek chic (wiki) to ya if you even know what it is:

P-NSFW Warning: This is potentially not safe for work. There is profanity in this video. I personally think it makes it funnier, but don't blast your work speakers 'cause your boss may not. I am to be fortunate enough to work at a job where my boss would think it was hilarious





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US Attorney Scandal: Wingnut Deseret Morning News Writers Debunked

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Wingnuts, but their nature, aren't interested in the truth if it conflicts with any of their ideological assumptions. That's why they're such easy suckers for talking points. Part of the Plan has already had his way with wingnuts from the Trib, but has graciously left the Deseret Morning News wingnuts for me to feast upon:

Double standard at work - 03.16.2007
I'm intrigued and surprised by the use of the word "scandal" in the front page headline describing the firing of eight U.S. attorneys (March 14). Did the headline writer borrow the phrase from the DNC press release? I don't recall the Deseret Morning News using the pejorative term "scandal" to describe the firing of 93 U.S. attorneys by Janet Reno under the Clinton administration. Is there a double standard at work?

John B. Stohlton
Provo

Are ya, Mr. Stohlton? Are ya intrigued? By the way, "Scandal" is a word, not a phrase, and it's being used by just about everyone in the media, so you can go ahead and leave the DNC out of it. And perhaps they didn't use that pejorative with Clinton for the same reason they didn't use it when President Reagan or President Bush did the same thing - because they did it at the beginning of their term. But that's actually the inconsequential part. The "scandal," as it were, is not just the unprecedented midterm firing of sitting US Attorneys. Indeed, we seem to only be scratching the surface.

Why are firings a scandal? - 03.17.2007
Scandal? What scandal? What makes the firing of a person serving at the pleasure of the president a scandal? The press makes it that — simply because it says so.
I, for one am happy about the U.S. attorney in Arizona being sacked. He perpetuated a policy that the U.S. government would not prosecute smugglers for any drug offenses unless a threshold amount was found.
The practice, not founded in law, rankled the ranks of the local law enforcement officers and county attorneys all along the border.

Gerald A. Eberwein
Naco, Ariz.

No one disputes whether or not they serve at the pleasure of the President. But since you implied competency, let's tackle that wingnut myth. Consider this little exchange between Whitehouse Spokesman Tony Snow and the Press Core on March 13th:


Q Can I come back to the U.S. attorneys for a second. Kyle Sampson sent an email to Harriet Miers in March '05, ranked all these U.S. attorneys. And one of the factors was that strong performers exhibited loyalty. I wonder if you could talk about what role does loyalty play in evaluating prosecutors who are charged with enforcing the law and investigating corruption --

MR. SNOW: Peter, since that was -- we're putting these things out so people can take a look at it. The most important thing that you have U.S. attorneys is that they perform their jobs well.

Q But how does loyalty figure into that?

MR. SNOW: Again, I don't have an answer for you. I mean, what you're really talking -- you're going to have to ask Kyle Sampson what that is.

Q Well, you've gotten rid of him, so -- (laughter) -- he's no longer --

MR. SNOW: Well, I know, but you know what, that's -- I'm just telling you that the metric that's being used are effective, and for trying to figure out what Kyle Sampson meant, you've got to ask him.

Q Well, how about now?

MR. SNOW: How about now? Again, what we've talked about is being effective in going ahead and enforcing the law.

Q Is part of "effective" currently loyalty to the administration?

MR. SNOW: Look, these are political appointees, so these are people who certainly have the support of the administration. But are we having loyalty tests? No.

Nooooooo, of course not. How silly. Have we ever encountered other situations where it was suggested that "loyalty to the President: trumped competency or what was good for the Country? (Well, yeah.. example 1, example 2, example 3, etc...)

This exchange stemmed from part of this e-mail Kyle Sampson sent to David G. Leitch on Sunday, January 9th, 2005 (By the way, I thought that if you're a Mormon like Sampson, you're not supposed to do political hatchet work on Sunday?) -

"The vast majority of U.S. Attorneys, 80-85 percent, I would guess, are doing a great job, are loyal Bushies, etc., etc."

So yes, while US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President, one would hope that his "pleasure" would involve the well-being of the country in mind over having "loyal Bushies" installed all over the place.

93 attorneys don't count? - 03.18.2007
Gee, while we are investigating this scandal over the eight U.S. attorneys who were fired, we should also give a look at the Travel Office.
Oh. That wasn't Bush. It was Hillary. And they weren't even attorneys. I guess the 93 attorneys her husband fired don't count either.

Cheryl T. Barney
Salt Lake City

Frequent letter writer Cheryl T. Barney is looking more and more like she's in line for "Deseret Spectacle Wingnut Legend" status for her incessant, mind-numbing partisanship and "creative" reasoning.

I actually had to go google for the Hillary Clinton reference, which dates back to 1996 but has been resurrected by wingnuts desperate to shift attention from the current scandal. Google News brought up 4 hits. The best was from my favorite stalwart of journalistic integrity, the New York Post.

Firings are not a scandal - Monday, March 19, 2007
Twice you have had front page headlines referring to the firing of eight U.S. attorneys as a "scandal." Just what is it that the Deseret Morning News doesn't understand about Government 101? U.S. attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president. He doesn't need a reason to fire them.
And what makes you think a group of congressmen, most of whom I wouldn't trust to change a toilet paper roll, are suited to micro-manage the operation of the executive branch?
The scandal is your coverage of this nonissue.

Lee Allen
Provo

This actually isn't the first time I've responded to a letter from Lee Allen. In fact, one of my favorites is a letter to the editor he wrote where he exposed the glaring liberal bias of the Deseret Morning News. His reasoning? Ya gotta read it to believe it.

Most of what he wrote I've answered before. In fact, most of these letters are the same. They're just repeating back talking points. But this line warrants a response:

And what makes you think a group of congressmen, most of whom I wouldn't trust to change a toilet paper roll, are suited to micro-manage the operation of the executive branch?

Yes, if only we could return to the good old days, where Congress completely abdicated their Constitutional responsibility as a coequal branch of government. *sigh*

We're not talking about micro-management, Nimrod - we're talking about checks, balances, and oversight in general - things Republicans were all about when they controlled Congress but a Democrat in the Whitehouse.

And it also brings up yet another facet of this "non-scandal" scandal, which is where our very own US Attorney Brett L. Tolman comes into the story, and to me, lies at the heart of the very scandalous U.S. Attorney Scandal.

Despite assertions (lies) from much of the Republican propaganda arm (Fox News, conservative radio, etc), the language which Tolman "slipped" into legislation that passed last year gives an administration the ability to bypass Senatorial confirmation by installing "interim" U.S. Attorneys. Previously there was a deadline on these "interim" appointments that would force an official nominee to face Senate confirmation. Now, however, the President could keep these "interim" people in place indefinitely simply by never officially nominating a replacement.

And that brings us back to a point that Part of the Plan and myself have been openly wondering about.. Why isn't U.S. Attorney Brett Tolman talking? Whether he was simply a tool being used by others with more nefarious intent or was more actively engaged, he has to have information about why and what really happened.

DS
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Opinion - Frank C. Overfelt - Democratic Congress = Domestic Terrorism?

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Start monitoring Congress?
I was pleased to read that Homeland Security is convinced it has the monitoring of foreign terrorists under control and that the department is going to start watching domestic terrorist cells more closely.
Does that mean they're going to start monitoring Congress?

Frank C. Overfelt
Cottonwood Heights


*blinks* Mr. Overfelt.. I mean, what is there to say? It's hard to answer the pure, unadulterated, partisan idiocy and insanity of a letter with this kind of content. I mean, what's wrong with you, Mr. Overfelt? Did you think this letter was clever? Was this your attempt at wry humor? Are you just a complete partisan idiot? I don't know. I really don't. I don't care, really. But... *shakes head* What a stupid letter.

I think I'm more disappointed in the Deseret Morning News. I mean, we all know that some pretty crazy stuff gets printed on the opinion page of the DMN... But publishing this letter from frequent wingnut-contributor Overfelt surprised me. His letter lacks any kind of humor, insight or other interesting characteristic. I mean, there's not even a real opinion, is there? Does he or anyone really believe that the Democratically-controlled Congress is, in any way, comparable to domestic terrorism? If he does, then the right has gone even further into partisan psychosis than I realized.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah

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Video - Olbermann: Worst Person in the World - Bill O'Reilly over Abortion Idiocy

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Yeah just really can never get enough of O'Reilly as worst person, ya know?





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Unraveling the Tangled US Attorney Web

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I've been researching for the last several hours, trying to connect the dots between the various people and Talking Points which are wrapped up in the U.S. Attorney Scandal.

I'm not even close to being done. In the mean time, enjoy this tangentially related Jack Cafferty clip. This is the first time I've seen Cafferty happy in a long time. In happens just near the end of the clip, where he looks almost giddy over the possibility of a Congressional subpoena calling Karl Rove to testify under oath. The White House makes extensive use of "Executive Privilege", but with Rove, it will be trickier for them to use that to prevent him from testifying. Keep the heat on, Democrats. That's why we put you back in there.





DS
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Utah US Attorney Brett Tolman Escapes Attention of MSM in Gonzales/Attorney General Scandal

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Update: This page has been getting a lot of traffic. Please search the archives for other Tolman related news, including our most recent story here.

This is actually pretty surprising that this hasn't gotten more play in the national press, but positively astounding that the local media hasn't been all over it. Indeed, it escaped my attention until I was catching up over at Part of the Plan and read this post, which describes the issue and links to references confirmed that our very own U.S. Attorney Brett Tolman was instrumental at the very root of this scandal. From one of the links at Part of the Plan:

Specter explained that the request for the language's insertion came from a Justice Department representative, and was handled by Brett Tolman*, who is now the United States Attorney for Utah, and that the principal reason for the change was to resolve "separation of power issues."

A recent update to that page shows the official transcript of Specter's remarks, who is taking a lot of heat for the whole thing:

Prior to the PATRIOT Act, U.S. attorneys were replaced by the Attorney General for 120 days and then appointments by the Court or the First Assistant succeeded to the position of U.S. Attorney. The PATRIOT Act gave broader powers to the Attorney General to appoint replacement U.S. Attorneys. I then contacted my very-able Chief Council Michael O’Neill to find out exactly what had happened. Mr. O’Neill advised me that the requested change had come from the Department of Justice, that it had been handled by Brett Tolman, who is now the US Attorney for Utah.

So I did a quick search of the Deseret Morning News archives, because surely they must have had something that I just missed. Only two relevant hits came up which included Tolman's name. From the first:

Associate Deputy Attorney General William Moschella discussed the Patriot Act provision with Brett Tolman, then a Republican staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Tolman, with the support of Hatch, won the job over Sampson for U.S. attorney in Utah.

Absolute no mention of Tolman's involvement in the actual rewriting of the law which made his appointment nearly assured. In fact, I consider this paragraph to be a bit of a whitewash, suggesting that Tolman was separate from the Bush administrations broader plans. Check out the next paragraph in the same article:

This change, paired with the fact the White House thought about getting rid of all 93 U.S. Attorneys, have led some lawmakers to draw the conclusion that the administration want to fill in the slots with own people without going through regular Senate confirmation.

No! That's just silly. I can't believe anyone would suggest such a thing. Pfft.

From the second relevant DMN article:

In 2006, Sampson was in the middle of a debate as who would replace Paul Warner, U.S. attorney for Utah. The White House and Justice Department pushed for Sampson, while Hatch and other senators wanted Brett Tolman. Tolman eventually won the formal nomination .

And that's it. Absolutely nothing else about Tolman. Isn't it interesting that in both articles, almost exactly the same reference to Tolman was made. To them, he's not a part of the story. He's just an obligatory tangent to the real story.

Even a Google News search on "Brett Tolman" only brings up 40 hits at the moment, with most of those having to do with Warren Jeffs or some Samoan baby adoption ring scandal.

Finally today, the Salt Lake Tribune ran a story with some relevant information. This is the final paragraph of the article:

The provision was added to the Patriot Act at the Justice Department's request by Brett Tolman, who worked for Specter, the senator said last month. Tolman, now the U.S. Attorney for Utah, has declined to comment. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said she wants to explore the issue further, after William Moschella, a senior Justice Department official, told McClatchy Newspapers that he requested the change on his own.

Has declined to comment? Want to know what the saddest thing about this article is? Out of the two major newspapers, it's the only one which even hints at the larger story here, and at the very bottom of the page it reads:

"* The Associated Press contributed to this report."

Where the hell is the local press? He's our friggin' US Attorney, people! He has declined to comment? Has anyone local even asked him about it?

Just a few things I want to know more about is how much of this he did on his own, how much of the language he wrote, whether or not and who he was communicating with in the Whitehouse and/or the Justice Department, and more detail on why and how he and his cohorts felt this had anything to do with "separation of power issues." There are a lot of things I want to know, but there seem to be very few people asking about Mr. Tolman and his involvement in the whole ugly affair.

Since he is Utah's US Attorney, wouldn't it be nice if Utah's Press could do a little more than splice together AP reports to reprint, divert some of the hours spent covering the Samoan baby-adoption ring scandal, and put a little pressure on him until he provides us with some answers. "Declined to comment" my ass.

I found this reference to Tolman in the Guardian - of course I have to go to the UK to get some more specifics - which says the following:

In a Nov. 9, 2005, e-mail, Moschella discussed the possible changes with Brett Tolman, then a Republican staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Tolman is now U.S. attorney in Utah.

Nov. 9th, 2005 e-mail. That reminded me of a link on one of the articles the Deseret Morning News ran on this issue which had to a PDF regarding a Rove e-mail. Here is their copy, and I've saved a copy here as well in case they pull it. So I pulled up their copy. It was from Kyle Sampson, and dated Sunday, January 9th, 2005 7:34PM. However, this e-mail is one page, and doesn't mention Tolman at all. However, here are a couple of interesting quotes from the e-mail:

"The vast majority of U.S. Attorneys, 80-85 percent, I would guess, are doing a great job, are loyal Bushies, etc., etc."

What, is this code? That the criteria for determining whether or not they're doing a great job is whether or not they're "loyal Bushies," etc, etc?

"4. As a political matter, each of our U.S. Attorneys has been recommended by one or more political leaders in their home State. I suspect that when push comes to shove, home-State Senators likely would resist wholesale (or even piecemeal) replacement of U.S. Attorneys they recommended (see Senator Hatch and the Utah U.S. Attorney). That said, if Karl thinks there would be political will to do it, then so do I."

Well fortunately, at least in Utah, the "home-state" Senator and the Administration seem to be pleased by the nomination of Brett Tolman.

I am looking for the other e-mails and will report back when I have more information.

Thanks again to Part of the Plan. Another tip of the hat to Brendan Calling from Philadelphia who also had a relevant post on this issue as well.

DS
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Video - Joe from Georgia on Mitt Romney

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If Joe from Georgia is in, I'm in, baby.

"I'm so fired up about Mitt Romney for President I can hardly sleep at night."

Wow. Well, I guess my enthusiasm for Mitt Romney as President ends where my sleep-time begins.





DS
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Video - Sen. Bennett on Mitt Romney - Analysis

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Here's another video out of the Mitt Romney Youtube Camp. This time, our own Sen. Bennett describes Romney in new, fresh, genuine terms and let me tell ya - it such a relief to hear a politician talk frankly and openly, without the standard talking points and dubious approbation.





In talking about his experience with Mitt Romney, Senator Bennett quoted someone who worked with Romney on the Olympics:

"There are not enough good words in the English Language to describe Mitt Romney and the job he's doing."

Wow! Not enough good words in the English Language to describe the splendiferous wonder and glory of the nigh-spiritually-translated Saint who is Mitt Romney. Perhaps we can start coming up with our own "good" words in the hope that one day, we might describe Mitt Romney in such a way that pays proper homage to his awesomeness. I'll start: "Suprafantasticool." That's mine. Mitt Romney is Suprafantasticool. No. *sigh* Still, it falls short. It may be a grail quest, but if we work together, maybe, just maybe, we'll add enough good words that Mitt Romney can be properly honored.. Any of you have some suggestions?


When asked what "leadership qualities" Mitt Romney would bring to Washington, Sen. Bennett responded:

"Mitt Romney would bring freshness into the Washington situation."

Uh. Yeah. I guess we could use some "freshness" in Washington. And that's how I feel when I look at Mitt Romney. I get that "fresh" feeling.

"He would come with a new outlook, a fresh face, new understanding combined with a deep, deep capacity for leadership and new thinking."

Yes, I'm tired of old faces. I want to see new faces. That's what I want in a President. His deep, deep capacity for leadership is just icing on the cake.

As far as new thinking, what new thinking is Sen. Bennett talking about? So far, most of what I've heard out of Romney's mouth hasn't really been new. In fact, "strict adherence to standard Republican talking points" is more how I feel when I listen to Mitt.

"Look at the same problems with a new look and say 'let's do it a little differently' and most importantly 'Let's get it done.'"

Haha. I love this line. I can just imagine President Romney looking at Iraq with a new look on his fresh face and then, while peering at the horizon, saying "Let's do it a little differently." And the people would sigh with relief. And when he followed it up with "Let's get it done." the crowds would go wild, because finally - finally! - we had a President who had the will to look at things a little differently and get it done.

"We spend far too much time talking and saying 'ohhhh yes, that's the problem, oohhh yes no maybe we could consider this' and not nearly enough time working on it and solving it."

Yes, defining problems and considering options is so Clintonesque.. What we need is.. uh.. way different than that.. We need to just be.. uh.. working on and solving problems. *blinks*

I'm tired of politicians constantly recognizing problems and considering solutions. I want a President who can just work on and solve problems using psychic powers alone, without all of that onerous reasoning or open deliberation. You know, someone like our current President.

DS
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Media Comparison - Alberto Gonzales and the Firing Scandal

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UPDATE 03.16.2007: There is more to this story than I first saw. Part of the Plan pointed it out over at his blog, and you can find a new post on the Deseret Spectacle Here.

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It's always interesting to see how the different major news sites portrays breaking news. Below are screenshots of CNN, MSNBC and of course, FOX NEWS. The Fox News one is hilarious.













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Apparently a Utah man has a role in the whole ugly affair as well. The Deseret Morning News is running this story, "Ex-Utahn resigns amid D.C. scandal - Documents link him to firing of 8 U.S. attorneys":

Former Utah-based attorney and Brigham Young University graduate D. Kyle Sampson resigned Monday as chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in the midst of a growing scandal involving eight fired U.S. attorneys.
Sampson, who almost became Utah's U.S. attorney, had a federal political career that included stops in the U.S. Congress, the White House and the Justice Department.
Democrats in the House and Senate plan for hearings and investigations into what really led to the firings of the U.S. attorneys and who were the major players.
Justice Department officials have testified before Congress that decisions to fire the attorneys were based on the individual attorneys' job performances without any input from the White House.
But documents released by the Justice Department to the House Judiciary Committee show Sampson had multiple e-mail conversations with White House counsel Harriet Miers and other officials in deciding — and sometimes listing — which attorneys should go.
Gonzales dismissed calls for his resignation at a press conference Tuesday but admitted that "mistakes were made" and will be corrected so they will not happen again.
"Obviously, I am concerned about the fact that information — incomplete information — was communicated or may have been communicated to the Congress," Gonzales said.

(click here for the full article)

Well gee whiz, I'm sure glad you're concerned Mr. Gonzales. I wish, however, that your concern wasn't over the fact that information, or as you put it "incomplete information" was communicated or "may have" been communicated to the Congress," but rather that the Bush Administration and yourself are involved in an unprecedented move to consolidate conservative power and subvert the American legal system for your own twisted, ideological purposes. But of course that doesn't concern you. The label "smug little weasel" keeps popping into my head for some reason.

Anyway, to wrap it up, here's Jack Cafferty, one of my favorites, with his take on the whole affair. Mainly I chose this video (from many others) because he calls Gonzales a "weasel" which has been one of my favorite terms referring to him. Here's a partial transcript:

Cafferty: And it's not enough that the Attorney General of the United States is a glorified water boy for the White House. The Bush administration also is admitting now that its #1 political HACK, Karl Rove passed along complaints from Republican lawmakers about US attorney's to the Justice Department and the WH counsel's office. A political advisor—playing a role in the hiring and firing of US attorney's. It's disgraceful. —-

Cafferty: If you look up the word weasel in the dictionary Wolf, you'll see Alberto Gonzales's picture there.

Wolf: You don't like him?

Cafferty: That is correct, I don't.

I don't like him either. His smug and dismissive attitude along with his allegiance to the President over the American people makes him one of the more weaselish American figures in my opinion.





DS
Salt Lake City, Utah

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Opinion - Kyle Williams - Uhh.. I'd avoid slinging accusations of "flip-flopping" at Democrats in '08

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Hillary not fit to run U.S.
If you put your political finger in the air to see which way the polls are blowing, you are not a leader. You are a follower. I am sick of "Mrs. Bill Clinton" flip-flopping and flip-flopping — depending on which group she is addressing. The woman is not fit to run the country at this perilous time in history.

Kyle Williams
Salt Lake City

Hahaha. Really? Mr. Williams, you are and have always, been sick of anything Clinton, Democrat or anything else left-leaning-related. You are a flat partisan. And if I were you, in the coming election season, I would keep "Flip-flopping and flip-flopping" (wiki) out of your vernacular, because NO where has a lack of principled standing or "flip-flopping" been more evident than in every single Republican front-runner for the Republican nomination for the Presidency:

Rudy Giuliani - (wiki) - (official) - (flip-flopper)

John McCain - (wiki) - (official) - (flip-flopper)

Mitt Romney - (wiki) - (official) - (flip-flopper)

There isn't a leg of integrity amongst them. They're flip-flopping all over the place in their desperate appeal to the loony evangelical right in their mad bid for the Republican nomination.

Oh, one final note: Conservative Republicans are born followers. But applauding demonstrable incompetence, ignoring reality and the advice of people smarter, wiser and more experienced than you because you have a "vision", isn't leadership; it's madness.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
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DEADLINE! Salt Lake City Weekly - Best of 2006 is Tomorrow!

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The Salt Lake City Weekly's "Best of 2006" voting deadline is tomorrow. If you like the Deseret Spectacle and feel so inclined to vote for it for "Best Local Blog", please do. In fact, I'll go ahead and say that it has my personal endorsement.

You go to vote here.

http://www.slweekly.com/ballots/index.cfm?ballot_id=162

Other Recommendations by me:
Best Coffee House: Dolce Coffee
Best Local Blog: The Deseret Spectacle (http://desspec.blogspot.com/)
Best Restaurant: The Oasis Cafe
Best Sushi: The Happy Sumo
Best Vietnamese: Cafe Trang

Thanks!

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Video - Olbermann Worst Person in the World - O'reilly Again! Surprise!

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Opinion - Randy Blosil - Seriously? You still Don't Get it?

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Legislators also chose war
I've never understood the mantra "President Bush misled us into war." Last I checked, we still have three branches of government, designed to balance power, to think and act independently of each branch. It's shameful and embarrassing that our elected legislators act like helpless bystanders to their own decisions.
Leaders don't apologize for decisions. They stand by them, given the wisdom and information they had at the time. Leaders, however, can and should change decisions when their previous opinions are held under truth's scrutiny. Leaders follow truth, not popular dogma, and never blame others for their decisions.

Randy Blosil
Orem

Whoa whoa whoa there, big guy. First of all, the reason you never understood it, I suspect, is two-fold: 1) You are a partisan Republican 2) The Republican line is that the Democrats (who were then in the minority) "voted for the war." This is a common misconception that was deliberately promoted by Republican pundits. They voted to give the President the authority to use force, they didn't vote to go to war. Bill Maher said it best in this video when he corrected Tucker Carlson who used that oft-repeated lie:

"They didn't support the war! Excuse me, they supported a resolution that said as a last resort, we're going to give you, Sheriff George Bush, a badge and a gun, that's not saying we want you to go in their blasting at the first sign of trouble."

Finally, you can't change past decisions, you can only acknowledge mistakes in the decisions you've already made, try to make them right, which sometimes includes apologizing for them, and then use that information to alter your course.

There is no nobility or leadership in refusing to admit mistakes, refusing to apologize, or refusing to change policy when you have clearly walked down the wrong path.

These are basic tenets of integrity, and don't even consider the very credible evidence that the President, along with his neoconservative allies, did indeed deliberately mislead Congress and the Country into a war which furthered an agenda they either thought we wouldn't agree with, or couldn't understand.

And yes, we do have three branches, designed to balance each other out. While the Republicans controlled Congress, they abdicated, like servile sycophants, their Constitutional duties to an Executive which proclaimed their power unlimited, and their actions beyond scrutiny. All the while, they have systematically slandered and moved to stack the Judiciary so it would be limited in exercising it's Constitutional authority and responsibilities.

"Truth" is not defined by what the President says. Truth is truth, and the concept in general has become fuzzy indeed under this morally "flexible", self-righteous administration.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Shocker: Patriot Act Abuses DO Occur!!! - Daily Summary

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For those reading off of blog indexers, this post refers to four other video posts made today.

In October of 2003 there was an article published by the "fair and balanced" Fox News site which addressed concerns being raised about potential abuses of the Patriot act. Here's an excerpt:

"It's unfortunate that these cities and townships are misreading the Patriot Act," said Mark Corallo, a Justice Department spokesman.

He said that people who criticize the bill "have missed the fact that the protections that reside in our Constitution reside in the Patriot Act," and that "not a single federal court or Congress, have cited a single instance of abuse of civil liberties."

Yes, unfortunate. Silly citizens concerned about their civil liberties and an unchecked Executive which believes 9/11 instilled it with perpetual, plenary and divine authority to do whatever it wanted.

Then in early January of 2004, the conservative "National Review" ran an article entitled "Prez Calls Dems Patriot Games Bluff" detailing how the broader chorus of concerns being raised about these types of potential abuses were just plain silly.

I guess they weren't so silly after all.

You can look through the whole history of the scandal via Google, but this the title of one article sums it up nicely: "US attorney general admits FBI broke law using Patriot Act"

You can also look through some of the videos that we've posted today, which reflect various takes on the rampant abuse now being revealed through this audit:

Keith Olbermann on the Patriot Act Abuses. (VIDEO)

CNN Reports on the admited FBI abuses. (VIDEO)

Jack Cafferty, as usual, says it like it is. (VIDEO)

And Fox News? Well, they're white-washing the hell out of it, as expected. (VIDEO)

Enjoy.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah

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Video - Fox News on FBI Patriot Act Abuse (And why it's not a big deal)

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Patriot Act Abuse, Schmatriot Act Abuse. CAUTION: Whitewashers At Work

For a more detailed account of Fox News on this issue, go here.





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Video - Caferty on FBI Patriot Act Abuse

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You go Jack!





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Video - CNN on FBI Patriot Act Abuse

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Probably the most "fair and balanced" coverage.





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Salt Lake City, Utah

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Video - Olberman on FBI Patriot Act Abuse

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I'm guessing they're critical of it. That's my guess.





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Comcast Watch: Great News from the iProvo Resistance Front

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The Deseret Spectacle: Fighting Comcast in Utah - iProvoe Resistance Front


Great News from the iProvo Resitance Front!

The Deseret Morning News is carrying a story about how iProvo has just reached the very important milestone of 10,000 subscribers:

"PROVO — After a rocky start, iProvo is closing in on the project's original Holy Grail — 10,000 customers."

Yay!!!

"In July 2005, as iProvo's first business partner was about to file for bankruptcy, the project had fewer than 2,000 subscribers.
Less than two years later, 9,480 Provoans now use city-owned iProvo for high-speed Internet access, digital cable TV and telephone service.
"It amazes industry observers who know we have naysayers," Mayor Lewis Billings said. "They say, 'You have 9,000 subscribers, right? And you had 7,700 three months ago, right? Sounds like things are going great."'
The boom in subscribers is a positive development, but city leaders are still tiptoeing their way toward some problems on the horizon.
One is that the Holy Grail became a moving target. Initially, reaching 10,000 subscribers would give iProvo the cash to make the payments on the $40 million bond that funded the project."

The Deseret Morning News is hardly unbiased on this particular issue. For instance, they ran an editorial from the ever-impartial Chuck McCown, a managing partner of managing partner of Wireless Beehive LLC entitled "UTOPIA has turned into a nightmare." Besides a lack of availability, apparently "trees" can dramatically reduce Mr. McCown's high-bandwidth claims and the cure-all solution of wireless internet. (By the way, I hope they do continue to expand, any competition is great, but come on.)

Not too long again they ran a conspicuously biased article entitled "Study calls iProvo perpetual black hole" lauding a biased "report" by a biased "non-profit think tank" that "excoriated" iProvo. This "non-profit"'s trustees and officers are all oddly affiliated with vaguely named LLC's. They have a lot of good things to say about Comcast, though. Shocker.

Then the inimitable Jay Evensen penned an editorial, "So how will Provo rebut iProvo report?" which was less than flattering.

They also ran an editorial against UTOPIA back when that debate was going on. I was unable to locate a link for that.

My opinion is that the DMN just doesn't get it. I believe that municipal broadband is much closer to road construction and other infrastructure development than any sort of "government competing with the private sector" argument the free market enthusiasts love to trot out.

Anything that starts shaking up high-speed monopolies like Comcast is a good thing. Tell all your friends about UTOPIA and iProvo and urge them to dump their evil corporate overlords for their local municipal broadband providers today.

By the way, if it sounds like I dislike Comcast, it's because I do. You can search through our archives for several reasons why.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Video - Olbermann: Worst Persons In the World - Glenn Beck for... Requesting Nude Photo Shoot of Guest?

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Ugh. That awkward pause after Glenn Beck requests the chance to take the nude photos is excruciating.





DS
Salt Lake City, Utah


Videos . Letters to the Editor . Mormons . Christianity . Evangelicals

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Video - Bill Maher: General Paul Eaton Gets Honest

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Bill Maher is the man. It takes the General a minute to get around to it, but finally he breaks it down and stops dancing around the fact that this administration and its appointees are breathtakingly incompetent.





DS
Salt Lake City, Utah

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Video - Nevada Democrats tells Fox News to Piss Off

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Nevada Democrats decided they didn't want to continue their sado-masochistic relationship with Fox News and canceled a debate co-hosted by Fox News. (Google Index) Fox News is not a news organization. I'm sorry, but come on. They have progressively become more partisan, more slanderous and just plain ridiculous.

The following clip shows a series of attacks that the made on Barack Obama, who has now frozen them out of his campaign. I don't blame him one bit. Fox News has been unfairly slandering, distorting and otherwise working to demean Democrats of any stripe, and Barack has recently been their target of choice. At some point of them slapping you over and over again, you just have to grab their wrist mid-swing and say "Parties over, you bastards" and smack the shit out of them.





DS
Salt Lake City, Utah

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Video - Cafferty: Jack Points out Ridiculousness of Anna Nicole Media Coverage

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In the youtube forums, everyone was all upset at Jack Cafferty for making this remark to Wolf Blitzer at the end of his segment:

"Is Anna Nichole Smith still dead, Wolf?"

"Yes, we're going to be updating our viewers on...."

"Great, can't wait for more of that."

"What a cruel joke." and "Wow, Cant believe that this guy would make such a cruel joke." and "wow, what an ass..." and "wtf dude"

Okay. Just take it easy, everybody. I applaud Jack Cafferty for having the guts to point out the ridiculousness of the media coverage over Anna Nicole Smith's (wiki) death. I mean, come on. With everything that's going on, we really have to provide thousands of hours of coverage to this? By the way, if you feel like you're missing out, go read one of the 18,000+ articles Google News is indexing on her death. Or, if you want to put it in perspective, consider that a Google News search for "Darfur Genocide" turns up about sixth of the amount of hits Anna Nicole's death does.

Good for Jack Cafferty. We need more like him.





DS
Salt Lake City, Utah

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Opinion - Eve Drown - Hypocrisy and Self-Delusion

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Leave 'news analyses' off A1
Please just report the news on the front page and save your "News Analysis" for the opinion page.
I will read your news reports and make my own "analysis," thank you.

Eve Drown
Riverton

This is classic. Indignant woman from Riverton (Ms. Drown) complains about the filtering of the facts through a third party. Okay, I can respect that. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she is just that well-informed that she doesn't require the interpretation of professional news analysts. But just for the hell of it, I try a google search on her name, and guess what I find.

Not much. In fact, just her phone number and a review she posted about a book. The book? Ann Coulter's "Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right"

Well, from the above quote, you might think that Ms. Drown roundly chastised Ms. Coulter for her distortions of the truth, and for not simply delivering facts so that educated women like herself can do her "own analysis thank you very much."

However, her review reads a little differently:

5 out 5 Stars - Need sleep!, August 22nd 2002
Reviewer: Eve Drown from Riverton, Utah, United States
"I stayed up almost all night reading this book. It was riveting and a real page-turner. It tells us things the liberal media would never, ever admit about themselves but we have known all along. Thanks, Ann for giving conservatives a voice. If you liked Bias you'll love this."

So, I guess it's not so much that you want the facts, Ms. Drown, it's that you want them filtered through the most hateful, mean-spirited, twisted Conservative voice you can possibly find. I suggest Ms. Drown look for books with this theme instead.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Video - Democrat Chris Dodd Moves to Restore Habeas Corpus

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Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) (wiki) has submitted legislation that seeks to restore habeas corpus and bring us back in line with the Geneva Convention so that America might regain some measure of moral integrity and dignity on that issue.

The unbelievably anti-American Military Commissions Act of 2006, (pdf) (wiki) passed last year allows the government to detain a U.S. citizen indefinitely. Although proponents of the legislation claim this isn't true, through various loopholes and procedural acrobatics, a person indeed can be detained indefinitely for nothing more than some professing suspicion that they are involved in terrorist activities.

Habeas Corpus is a founding principle of this country, and the Republican Congress and President Bush signed it away almost as an afterthought.

Sen. Dodd should be commended for this. This is exactly what I hoped the Democrats would do when they retook the Congress. We need to restore the integrity of the Constitution and Constitutional oversight of the Executive branch. This is a great first step. Make me proud, Democrats. Every Congressman who voted to eliminate Habeas Corpus, who now votes against restoring it, can be considered at best a fool, and at worst, borderline treasonous. Step up and be counted, noble members of the House and Senate.




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Salt Lake City, Utah

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Opinion - Doug Dansie - Weekly Winner - LMBW (Liberal Media Boogyman Warrior)

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Hate speech isn't funny
Dennis Kostecki (Readers' Forum, March 7) states, "For some odd reason, types like (Ann) Coulter believe they have a birthright to characterize other people in the most vicious manner possible."
Yes, it makes you wonder why Bill Maher or Whoopee Goldberg are not forced into rehab for their hate speech humor which gets "laughs and guffaws" from their "lowest common denominator audience."

Doug Dansie
Salt Lake City

I'd pit the average intelligence level of Bill Maher's audience against the average intelligence level of Ann Coulter's fan club any day.

And which is it, Mr. Dansie? (Who appears to me to frequently suffer from a serious lack of perspective)Is Ann Coulter okay? And what is the hate speech that Bill Maher is pushing? What about Whoopee Goldberg, who I haven't heard jack from in years?

Make it clear, Mr. Dansie. What is hate speech, and is it okay or not okay? Is it okay for some, but not others? Give us something substantive instead of the mindless rantings of someone obsessed with the mythical liberal media.

And just to step up, I'll provide some from Ann Coulter: (And this is just a few of many):

On Islamic extremists: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter, National Review Online, September 2001

"The presumption of innocence only means you don't go right to jail."
-- Ann Coulter, Hannity & Colmes,August 24, 2001

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it! It's yours.'"
-- Ann Coulter, Hannity & Colmes,June 20, 2001

"The thing I like about Bush is I think he hates liberals."
-- Ann Coulter, Washington Post, August 1, 2000

"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."
-- Ann Coulter, Rivera Live, August 2, 1999

"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."
-- Ann Coulter, George, July 1999

On Rep. Christopher Shays (D-CT) in deciding whether to run against him as a Libertarian candidate: "I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain."
-- Ann Coulter, Hartford Courant, June 25, 1999

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."
-- Ann Coulter, MSNBC

"I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn't."
-- Ann Coulter, TV Guide, August 1997

"I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."
-- Ann Coulter, Hannity & Colmes, August 17, 1997

What a sweet gal. Now let's hear yours, Mr. Dansie. Let's hear your list. And if you can match even half of these quotes in number, ferocity, bigotry, racism, treason, hate, idiocy, crass or whatever other subjective standard you arbitrarily judge people by from Bill Mahr and Whoopie Goldberg, I'll double my list for Ann Coulter and we'll see if you can do it again. And I will do it in a snap.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Opinion - Murray Hayward - Letter of the Week

Salt Lake City, Utah - ©2007 - The Deseret Spectacle
Freedom comes before peace
I enjoyed Elaine Jarvik's account of the work of Ashley Anderson and Julianne Fitzgerald who are working for the establishment of a Cabinet-level Department of Peace (March 5). They need to keep in mind that peace without freedom is slavery and peace without justice is despotism. We already have a Department of Justice, (we think). We need a Department of Freedom before we need a Department of Peace.

Murray Hayward
Sandy

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you, Mr. Hayward.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Video - Bill Maher: Mitt Romney's Mormonism Freaks out most Americans

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I love Bill Maher. I am so glad that he has the courage to take on these types of issues. The fact is that most Americans are freaked out by Mormonism.

It's been interesting lately to watch all of the conservative pundits try to schmooze over the Mitt Romney Mormonism issue like it isn't really an issue.

There is a good reason for this: They are terrified that their hitherto indivisible religious-right voting bloc will become fractured. If that happens, they have nothing. Their crazy religious base is the only solid ground they have to stand for. For the rest of us, they have to bribe or scare us to get us to vote for them, but the Christian right? You just have to preach against abortion and gay marriage and they're lining up at the polls to send you to Washington.

These people trade on the religious beliefs of Christians, and throwing Mormonism into the mix, a religion most other Christian faiths consider apostate, stirs up a very uncomfortable debate that they'd rather not have.

I love it.

You go, Bill! You're a rock star.





DS
Salt Lake City, Utah

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Opinion - Steve Barnes - Breaking News! Utah is One-Party State!

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GOP no better than Demos
Utah has long been accused of being a one-party state. Consider this. We have the Democrats, then we have the current governor, his predecessor and most of the Republican dominated Legislature, who tax, spend, waste, control, regulate and abandon traditional conservative values just as though they were Democrats.
As it turns out, the accusers are probably correct.
We truly are a one-party state!

Steve Barnes
Sandy
We truly are a one-party state!?

*gasp* Oh. My. God. Could it really be? No.. NO! I refuse to believe it. Mr. Barnes, this time you have gone too far!

I need to go off and sit on this for a while. Try to absorb this. I'm no

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
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CNN Breaking News.... Well don't leave us hanging, guys!

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It happened again.. My hotmail window flashed with yet another "BREAKING NEWS!" from CNN. This time it was the following:



In case you missed it, the only thing that isn't standard boilerplate is:

"-- Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, leader of the militant group "

Okay.. Abu Omar al-Baghdadi (wiki), leader of the militant group..... What? Has renounced his radical Islamic ways? Converted to Christianity? Joined the Circus? Is releasing his book "Why I hate Freedom"? Has revealed he's addicted to meth and homosexual prostitutes?? Don't leave us hanging, CNN! Okay, I'm gonna visit the site and see if they tell me more... Big teases.


Okay.. Apparently the conclusion of that sentence is that Abu Omar al-Baghdadi "has been arrested in western Baghdad, the Interior Ministry tells CNN." Man, my guesses were way off.



I guess I kinda should have figured it would be something like that.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah

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Opinion - David Morris - Death Preferable to Pornography

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Save kids from pornography
The time has come for law-enforcement agencies to find a solution to the ever-expanding number of sex offenders. Obviously, arresting the guilty is a must, but we need to find the root of these evils. My proposal would be to make pornography illegal. It's addictive and is easily accessed. It's time for lawmakers to recognize this and put a stop to it. Save our children from a fate worse than death.

David Morris
Midvale

Well, I don't know what Mr. Morris's experience has been with pornography, but personally, I'd rather be alive and addicted to pornography with the hope of breaking the addiction, then dead with absolutely no hope of not being dead.

Besides that, what a great idea! Now all we have to do is figure out who will be the arbiter of what is considered pornographic. No solution springs to mind, but whatever we come up with, I'm sure it will lead to a free exchange of ideas and a reasonable, pragmatic dialogue between peoples of different faiths and philosophies. Needless to say, I'm sure that path would never run at odds with freedom of speech, 'cause as we all know, every single human being has exactly the same conception of what is obscene. *blank look*

Finally, as we all know, once we make something illegal, it ceases to be a problem, and I'm sure that Mr. Morris's solution would be no different.

And no, I don't think I could pack in any more sarcasm in this post.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Opinion - Ronald W. Mortensen - Illegal Immigrant = Social Security Fraud?

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Illegals are the 'bad guys'
According to a recent Deseret Morning News editorial (March 5), "Solid souls (illegal immigrants) should be given temporary legal status. ... And the practical way to do this is to allow law-enforcement officers to target and pursue the bad guys."
I assume, therefore, that the Deseret Morning News supports arresting, convicting and then deporting the millions of illegal immigrant "bad guys" who are using the stolen Social Security numbers and other identity documents of millions of American citizens, including tens of thousands of Utah children.
To paraphrase the editorial writer, giving temporary legal status (amnesty) to illegal aliens who are using the stolen identities of millions of innocent Americans is not only lazy thinking, it is immoral.

Ronald W. Mortensen
Bountiful

UPDATED:
A reader named Tyler apparently knows Mr. Mortensen, and offered another perspective on this post. I'd like to thank him for his thoughtful and lucid comments. Consequently, immediately following my original reply below, I'd like to include our exchange in the body of the post itself, as I believe it gives a more fair and accurate portrayal of Mr. Mortensen's position on the issue of illegal immigration.

Original Post:

Frequent readers of the Deseret Spectacle, and I know there are at least 2 of them (Myself and someone else, maybe) know that I have mixed feelings about illegal immigration, and that in general, I oppose the attitude which says "Awww, screw it. Let them come over and do whatever they want."

However, Mr. Mortensen makes a huge leap in reasoning here. Yes, there are millions of illegal immigrants. Does that mean there are millions of cases of identify fraud related? No. Not every illegal immigrant is trading on someone else's identity, using their Social Security Number, etc. If that really were the case, you'd see an even larger opposition than we already do.

Second, although I oppose illegal immigration, it's hard for me to label one as a classic "bad guy." They are looking for better lives, better pay, and a better standard of living. While they may break laws in so doing - which is wrong, and needs to be examined more - they are not bad people, and I think suggesting they are truly is tinged with racism, which is something I don't say lightly.

RESPONSE:

Posted by Tyler | March 09, 2007 3:50 PM:

I happen to know Ron personally and can vouch for him that he is not a racist. Evidence for that is in the fact that he travels around the world for his work, giving aid to just about every country, every ethnic group, that you can imagine.

He really loves his job!

He's also married to a foreign national, and has committed to me personally, on more than one occasion that he is in support of legal immigration.

Why wouldn't he be in favor of immigration?

He does see the world in black and white, though. Millions of illegals, to him, means millions of job-seeking people. So, either, an employer is breaking a law to hire illegals, or the illegal is stealing an identity to do get work.

Posted by The Deseret Spectacle | March 09, 2007 4:06 PM:


Tyler,

I appreciate your perspective, and thank you for commenting. It is easy to get off on a rant against someone you don't know.

I oppose illegal immigration and am in favor of legal immigration. In fact, I'm in favor of streamlining and making it easier to legally immigrate and acclimate to American Culture.

However, Ronald didn't draw a distinction between the employers breaking laws, he contended - quite flatly - that it must be that the illegal immigrants are trading on the stolen identities of innocent Americans and their "children."

This gives a very skewed perspective of the issue, and one that I think is at best, unfair, at worst, damaging and even more divisive.

Finally, perhaps he didn't write the title, but he called all illegal immigrants "bad people", and to me - and again, I don't say this lightly - it smacks of racism.

From your testimonial, I believe that's probably not the case with him, but I think it would be easy for others to conclude the same thing.

Thanks again,
DS
Posted by Tyler | March 09, 2007 5:02 PM:

Ron didn't write the title. The Deseret News always picks their own titles for these articles.

Frankly, anyone that allows, or participates in, identity theft is doing a terrible thing. Or, a "bad " thing. It needs to be stopped.

And the sentiment I shared with you earlier came from Ron, so, although, I can't manage how he is perceived by others, I'll try to relay something more than just the one paragraph that got put in the Deseret News.

Posted by The Deseret Spectacle | March 09, 2007 7:00 PM:

Ron may not have picked that title, but The Deseret Morning News doesn't always pick their own titles. If you include a title, occasionally they will opt to use that.

As far as identity theft, I would categorize people using an SSN to get a job differently than people using an SSN to defraud financial institutions and ruin a persons credit. But again, it is not a given that all illegal immigrants are doing this.

And finally, I really do appreciate your comments, and as such, I am going to include them in the body of this post as well as an update. I know, from firsthand experience, that sometimes the editing process of the Deseret Morning News can exclude important subtleties from a letter to the editor.

So thanks again Tyler,
DS


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Opinion - Ryan Parker - Coulter hurts Romney? Nah.

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Coulter tirade hurts Romney
I was disappointed to see former Massachusettes Gov. Mitt Romney introduce Ann Coulter at a recent gathering of conservatives. Shortly after Romney gave her a warm introduction, Ann Coulter proceeded to go on her famous tirade. While Romney didn't make the remark, he surely knew what he was getting into by agreeing to speak with and introduce Coulter. If you can tell a lot about people by the company they keep, what does Romney's choice tell us about him?

Ryan Parker
Salt Lake City

Well, while I understand where Mr. Parker is coming from, I don't think his analysis is on. What can you tell about Romney from keeping Ann Coulter as company? That he's one more politician who will do anything to win the Republican nomination, which includes talking and pandering to every far-right loon and evangelical they can. Does it hurt him? No. It was a minor story, at best, and if anybody did notice and will remember, it will be the loons on the right who love Coulter. The rest of us have too short an attention span.

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Video - Romney Watch: Scripted B.S. Billed as "Unplugged"

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This video is straight from Mitt Romney's political operatives over at youtube. The title to me is the most hilarious part.

"Unplugged."

Unplugged? This is Mitt Romney unplugged? Geeze. What does he sound like when he's scripted?

I actually took the time to transcribe this nauseating piece of trite political posturing, so here it is, mixed in with a few of my own comments.

"Unplugged - Mitt Romney"

Deep Voice
"Mitt Romney: Business Legend. Rescued the Olympics. The Republican Governor who turned around a Democratic state."

Mitt Romney
"I believe the American People is overtaxed and the government is over fed."

Deseret Spectacle
Bold Statement, from a bold man. Only a radically fresh and innocent politician would suggest that the "American People is overtaxed." It's especially courageous because most of us want to be taxed more, and for him to go ahead and oppose that shows moxie. Serious moxie.

Mitt Romney
I believe we're spending too much money and that's got to stop.

Deseret Spectacle
What? We're spending too much money? Is that why America now has 8.8 Trillion Dollars of debt, largely due to the uncontrollable spending of a Republican (your part) Congress and Executive? Somehow it seems like it's very easy for "conservative" Republicans to talk about spending less money, but very hard for them to actually do it. Hmm.. That's kind of the Republican motto isn't it: "Focus on what we say, not on what we do..."

Mitt Romney
I believe our laws ought to be written by the people and not by unelected judges.

Deseret Spectacle
Before you convince yourself that you're Presidential material, you may want to review how our system works. Because, as a matter of fact, laws are not written by judges, they are written by the Congress. But if you're alluding to "Judicial Activism", another "bold" conservative stance, let's get honest: Neither the judges nor the legislators are writing the laws - you are owned by your corporate sponsors, and it is them and their lawyers who are really writing the laws, aren't they. Come on, Mr. "unplugged." Let's get honest.

Mitt Romney
Look, these are critical times we face: we face attacks from jihadists.

Deseret Spectacle
Translation: Unlimited War Spending, interminable conflict, constant state of fear, plenary Executive power for Republican presidents.

Mitt Romney
We face tougher competition than we've ever known before coming from Asia.

Deseret Spectacle
And what is your plan to deal with that? The Republicans have done nothing but ease the ability of corporate America to outsource American jobs and lower our standard of living, all the while spouting the exact same cliches you are.

Mitt Romney
We're spending too much money here,

Deseret Spectacle
No shit.

Mitt Romney
we're using too much oil here,

Deseret Spectacle
But God forbid we scrutinize the obscene profits of the oil industry, reign them in, or prosecute the hell out of them for price fixing and gouging. Oh, but that's probably not what we're "spending too much money" on.

Mitt Romney
our schools are failing too many of our kids.

Deseret Spectacle
Yes, but this is one of those things where we should cut spending, right? This is one of those things that we are "spending too much money" on. Wanker.

Mitt Romney
This is not a time for more talk and dithering in Washington, it's a time for action.

Deseret Spectacle
Well thank God we have a different, straight-talking, give-it-to-us-straight guy like yourself. 'cause if there's one thing I've never heard out of a politicians mouth, it's that "the time for talk is over, it's time for action."

Mitt Romney
I believe in the people of America. Free American people are the source of this lands great strength.

Deseret Spectacle
That's super, Mitt! Next you'll be saying something radical like "Our Children our the future" or some other novel, non-politician type thing!

Mitt Romney
"I'm Mitt Romney and I approved this message."

Deseret Spectacle
Of course you did, bozo. Who else would?





Unplugged my ass.

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Video - Fox News - O'Reilly Quotes Hilarious "Far Left" Individuals

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For some reason, O'Reilly quoting the following line is hilarious to me:

"...what if mary had taken birth control after the Lord filled her with His hot, white, sticky holy spirit..."

O'Reilly also says that "..these two women have attacked Christianity in very irresponsible ways.." Makes you wonder what he would consider a "responsible" attack.

So to sum up, O'Reilly has no problem attacking John Edwards for hiring "Christian Haters" yet he has turns a blind eye to the unethical dealings of political operatives Republicans like to hire. Pointing out O'Reilly's Hypocrisy is becoming trite.





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Video - Hannity Really Wants to Somehow Make Obama Into a Racist

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Two Videos. Is this really the angle he's going to try and push? Hannity is more and more living in his little neoconservative fantasy land. It's hard to imagine this strategy working within anyone other than the Hannity-Drones who wouldn't vote Democrat even if Jesus was running on their ticket.





And then this one:





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Obituary/Opinion - Norval Turner - Goodbye

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Frequent reader passes on - Sunday, March 4, 2007
It is with great sadness we write to you today. On behalf of the Norval Turner family, we wish to say thank you for publishing his letters in your column. Although he has passed on, we hope that the public will continue to support his efforts in keeping good moral standards and ethics in our country and homes.

Maybe someone else will take up the fight
In trying to teach what's respectfully right.
Yes, Norval Turner gave it his best.
Now he has laid his pen to rest.

He will be missed as he rests in peace.

The Turner family
Murray

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When you start a blog which you intend to be a platform to post responses to letters to the editor, you start seeing a lot of familiar names, particularly names of the people you most frequently and passionately disagree with. Perhaps that's why I wasn't really prepared for the above letter. In any event, I've spent quite some time over the last few days going over old letters, postings and other information from/about Norval Turner. Even though we were often ideological adversaries, Mr. Turner, this is my tribute to you:


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Services for Mr. Turner were held this last Saturday. I was away for the weekend and am sorry I was unable to attend. His Obituary can be found here, I also have it archived here (pdf), and the Deseret Morning News guestbook and obituary here and here, with the Trib's guestbook and obituary here and here. (I think they're virtually identical.) If you visit, please be respectful.

I have to admit, I was somewhat shocked and taken aback when I read that Mr. Turner has passed away. I spent quite some time going through letters he's written through the years. Ideologically, I differed from him on almost every point. In fact, on this blog alone, we answered six of Mr. Turner's letters, and mentioned him in another. He was one of the earliest letters I responded to, actually, with a missive he wrote on the dangers of profanity. He won our "Hyper-Religious Wacko of the Week Award" last September. There were three - other - letters which we published where we roundly criticized his reasoning and perspective. But then there was another letter, which, after a faint hint of nausea, I published and fully agreed with.

Norval Turner often got caught up in "letter wars" via the Deseret Morning News opinion page, but he probably had no bigger adversary than Boyd Petrie, another prolific, though left-leaning, letter writer. He had bouts with Mark Hadnot, Marty Greenlief, myself and others.

It's 2am as I write this portion. The DMN has published "tomorrow"'s opinions and already there is a letter grieving Mr. Norval's passing:

Turner's voice will be missed
I noted with sadness the passing of Norval George Turner. Norval wrote to the Deseret News and later the Deseret Morning News about public policy, politics and many other subjects. I will miss his "voice." I am grateful for his insight and for his having taken the time to express his views. Thank you, Cork!

Philip DeLaMare
Salt Lake City

It appears his last letter published in the Deseret Morning News was the following:

Slayings not the only news - Sunday, February 18, 2007
My complaint is not with the Deseret Morning News, but with the television coverage of the Trolley Square massacre. It was as if nothing else were happening. For an hour and a half I watched two different stations and heard nothing except the "big story." What little they knew about it was repeated over and over. The world stopped turning for a few unfortunate families, but life goes on for the rest of us.

Norval Turner
Murray

Mr. Turner always did seem to have a touch of unintended irony he didn't get. But you know what? Maybe he did get it. I like to think he did. It makes me like him more. I would hope, but doubt, that I would have as wry a sense of humor while nearing the end of a battle with cancer.

On that note, and I'm not just saying this because Mr. Norval has passed away, and you're only supposed to say "nice" things about people who have passed away, it amazes me that he felt impassioned enough to continue writing and trying to get his perspective out even has he grappled with cancer. I have seen people struggle through cancer. It is not pretty.

After going back through old articles, I found some letters he had written which surprised me. Like this one:

Hospitals already crowded - Wednesday, February 7, 2007
When we see how crowded our hospitals are now, we have t o wonder how they are going to handle so many people if affordable health care is declared a right for all Utahns. And it should be a right. Otherwise more people will suffer and die for want of care for our war casualties.

Norval Turner
Murray

And it should be a right? That's not the Norval Turner I took such delight in opposing. It's much easier to notice the differences, I suppose. Here's another:

All-or-nothing not best way - Friday, January 19, 2007
"Getting gramps off the road" (Jan. 17) may cause a lot of hardships. Many of us have "restricted to corrective lenses" on our licenses. Why couldn't some of us have "restricted to daylight hours" or something similar? I know a man who is restricted to a radius of 10 miles from his home and to daylight hours.
Old people do tend to drive carefully and need to get to the grocery store, hair dresser, etc. It may be necessary to restrict their driving, but let's not chop them off too suddenly nor too completely.

Norval Turner
Murray

This isn't a letter of righteous indignation or blind condemnation, it's a humble acknowledgment of and opinion on an issue that society and our aging population faces. Props. Here's a letter from Mr. Turner that prompted a defense from an unlikely ally:

Do we want Americans tortured? - Dec 13, 2005

Reasons for not torturing prisoners far outweigh any for doing so. One that stands out in my mind is retaliation. Tit for tat or revenge has always been prevalent in the minds of many, including world leaders. We can expect our own people to be tortured whenever any of ours torture others. Is that what we want?

Norval Turner
Murray

For some reason, I guess I always assumed Mr. Turner would have been for torture. And although I oppose torture on different reasoning, I find myself agreeing with the gist of his letter none-the-less. In any event, some wingnut named Richard LaFontaine responded and chastised Mr. Turner for his position on torture. If I had caught this article at the time, I would have eviscerated him for it:

Extracting information critical - Dec 21, 2005
Norval Turner in his letter "Do we want Americans tortured?" (Readers' Forum, Dec. 13) makes two points: Reasons for not torturing prisoners far outweigh any for doing so, and our own people will be tortured whenever any of ours torture others.

While we could debate the definition of torture vs. aggressive interrogation, does the writer really think that people who slowly cut off the heads of innocent civilians care what we do to our prisoners? There are many reasons to aggressively interrogate captured terrorists. If we could extract information to prevent the explosion of a nuclear or dirty bomb in an American city, I think that would be a darn good reason.

Richard LaFontaine
Kaysville

In fact, as I was writing this, I decided to go ahead and write that response to Mr. LaFontaine. You can review that here if you'd like. But what's more interesting, is that Norval Turner's nemesis, Boyd Petrie, is actually the one who sprung to Mr. Norval's defense at the time:

Nothing gained from torture - Dec 23, 2005

Richard LaFontaine (Readers' Forum, Dec. 21) criticizes Norval Turner's position on torture, in essence promoting the childish cry of "They did it first!" Torture rarely results in reliable information. Most torture victims will say anything to make it stop. But most importantly, if we do not take the high road and prohibit the use of torture, we risk becoming like those we are fighting.

Boyd Petrie

There are many other good letters I found. Such as this lucid letter about the Holocaust and his personal experience with the survivors. Indeed, I was surprised by several thoughtful, compassionate letters by Mr. Turner.

But perhaps the most apt, final letter to post from Mr. Turner would be the following, which was published in the Deseret Morning News just 11 days after The Deseret Spectacle started regularly publishing:


This is place for opinions - Saturday, June 24, 2006
Bonnie J. Anjier shows terrible intolerance in regard to others expressing their opinions (Readers' Forum, June 21). Anything to do with moral issues should only be aired in church or at home, she says. Nonsense! The opinion section of the paper is made to voice our varied views. She has no business telling us to shut up already. Thank heaven the land of the free includes freedom to state our opinions.

Norval Turner
Murray

While Mr. Turner was certainly trying to tweak Ms. Anjier in this letter, you have to admit that, if nothing else, Mr. Turner walked the talk. He did it throughout his life, he did it through occasional ridicule and mocking, and in the end, he did it through cancer. He stated his opinions because he believed in them and he wrote letters because he thought they might persuade. I disagreed with almost every single one he penned, but damn it, I have to give him credit for that, and so today, I will.

So farewell, Norval George Turner. I hope you're enjoying your next adventure. You will be missed.

Sincerely,
James
The Deseret Spectacle

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Mr. Turner's obituary:

Norval George Turner, age 82, passed away peacefully February 27, 2007, in Murray, Utah after a valiant fight with cancer. He was born July 9, 1924 in Hunter, Utah to George Anderson and Harriet Fern Hartle Turner.

Norval was a veteran of World War II and afterwards served a mission for the LDS Church in the Northwest States. He married Beatrice Mary Howells Turner on August 18, 1950 in the Salt Lake LDS Temple and they had 5 children: Tom (Cathy) of Provo, UT; Jeanine; Sherrie (Andy) Sommers of Monroe, WA; Bill (Jaylene) of Riverton, UT; and Jay (Wendy) of Walla Walla, WA.

Preceded in death by his parents, daughter Jeanine, brothers Steve and Marion, brother-in-laws Roy Eliason and Roscoe Mackay. He is survived by his loving wife, 4 children, and most of his siblings: Addie Mackay of West Jordan, UT; Bill (Helen) of Sultan, WA; Dora (Jarvis) Peck of Midvale, UT; Leola (Wayne) Stanley of Murray, UT; Barbara Eliason of Logan, UT; Jerold (Renee) of West Bountiful, UT; Carol (Deon) Hutchings of Holladay, UT; sister-in-laws Audrey Fowles of Delta, UT and Emma Turner of Salt Lake City, UT; 11 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren.

He was an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, serving in many callings including Stake Mission Presidency, Bishopric and Temple Worker. He was employed as a letter carrier for 30 years and enjoyed writing letters to the editor, poems and songs. His hobbies included genealogy and gardening, but his passion was chess.

Funeral services will be held at 12:00 Noon, Saturday, March 3, 2007, in the Parkview LDS Ward, 619 W. 5750 So., Murray, UT. A viewing will be

Friday from 6-8 p.m. at Jenkins-Soffe Mortuary, 4760 So. State, Murray (map), and 1 hour prior to the services at the church. Interment will be in the Elysian Burial Gardens Cemetery (map).

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Video - Romney Watch: Mitt Romney and Ann Coulter - Match Made in Hell?

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There really isn't much to this, but it's interesting to see the backstage socializing and schmoozing of the radical right and wingnut punditry.

Partial Transcript from the youtube poster:

COULTER: "You know the photo of you and me together is going to become famous when you do something I don't like and I viciously attack you."

ROMNEY: "Never. Never will happen. Never will happen."





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Opinion - Richard LaFontaine - Go Watch More '24' and Stop Trying to Think About Complicated Issues

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Extracting information critical - Dec 21, 2005
Norval Turner in his letter "Do we want Americans tortured?" (Readers' Forum, Dec. 13) makes two points: Reasons for not torturing prisoners far outweigh any for doing so, and our own people will be tortured whenever any of ours torture others.

While we could debate the definition of torture vs. aggressive interrogation, does the writer really think that people who slowly cut off the heads of innocent civilians care what we do to our prisoners? There are many reasons to aggressively interrogate captured terrorists. If we could extract information to prevent the explosion of a nuclear or dirty bomb in an American city, I think that would be a darn good reason.

Richard LaFontaine
Kaysville

This is a reply to a letter from over a year ago, but because of another post coming up, I felt like it was time to respond to Mr. LaFontaine:

Mr. LaFontaine is exactly the kind of wingnut who watches too much Fox News and "24." There are two issues here that Mr. LaFontaine fails to grasp: First, yes, while extremist, murdering terrorists may have no compunction with torturing or killing Americans, they are a small subsection of America's potential enemies. But even when considering them, the torture at Abu Ghraib and other stories revealing "outsourcing" of torture to other countries have hurt America's credibility immeasurably. Immeasurably. This not only makes our battles harder to fight and win, but it costs us the support of our allies and increases the resistance, outrage and fortitude of our enemies. We cannot act as though we operate from a higher moral grdoun when we disregard decades-old international agreements regarding the basic rights and treatment of detained enemies.

The other problem is that there are other nations which are still threats to the United States. China could either become an ally or a very, very dangerous enemy. If we lead the way by "fuzz-ifying" what is or is not "torture" then they will follow our lead. So if you can manage to look past your dizzying shortsightedness for a few minutes and think outside the self-righteous rantings of Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage, that'd be just swell.

Finally, while acquiring information may be vital, torture is one of the poorest methods of doing so. When you are being tortured, your interest is in not being tortured anymore. Telling the torturers - who you now hate more than ever - truthful information isn't necessarily the way out, because they have no idea if the information you give is true. In fact, there are several instances when we were fed false information we wanted to hear, acted on it, and then later found it to be wholly fabricated. So not only is torture unreliable, morally indefensible, but if we are assuming it provides rock-solid actionable intelligence, then torture is actually dangerous.

As far as your incredibly inane, astoundingly imbecilic anecdote about torturing someone to save an American City from a dirty bomb, why don't you take that to the producers of '24', and leave the real thinking to people whose conception of reality isn't formed by hypothetical anecdotes of warmongering neocon punditry.

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Video - Bob Novak Doesn't Like Being Told to Shut Up

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Bob Novak MAD! Bob Novak SWEEP PAPERS OFF DESK. Bob Novak calls other pundit BAD NAME.





This isn't the first time Bob Novak has lost it. This guy has a temper. What does John Stewart call him?





Oh yeah, the "douchebag of liberty."

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Videos - Fox News Answers Daily Show with Painfully Unfunny "1/2 Hour News Hour"

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This is an excerpt from Fox News/Joel Surnow's "The 1/2 Hour News Hour."

This was supposed to be the answer to the "far-left" Daily Show? Well, I guess it is, except the Daily Show has live interviews, takes shots at everyone, especially the media, and you know, is actually funny. This show, however, is embarrassingly unfunny. It's like when you watch someone make an ass out of themselves in a movie, or get rejected, or whatever, and you actually get embarrassed for them? That's kind of how I felt while watching this.





After "Hannity's America" which I imagine looks a little like hell.

For the roll-out of this new "comedy" satire, Coulter & Limbaugh Introduce the 1/2 Hour News Hour with a skit where he is President, and she is Vice-President. *blanks out for a minute while imagining that nightmare*

Anyway, one telling line is that Limbaugh says "after just two years of a democrat congress, America's international reputation is in shambles, our economy teeters on the brink of collapse.."

This is the classic Conservative moxie. The Republicans have ruined our international reputation. We have virtually no credibility on the international stage. Our economy is in serious jeopardy as debt/income increases and the housing market, which is leveraging much of this debt, begins to turn. This is the result of 12 years of Republican Congressional Rule and Six years of President Bush's policies. Add on top of that a deficit and national debt which is truly staggering. But truths like that.. they don't faze the Limbaugh/Coulter types.

Look at Hannity - he has a hard time even pretending like it's funny. I seriously almost feel sorry for them. Almost.





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Support Your Local Hot Blogger Chick, "sarahbellum"

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This one I stole from the Utah Amicus

The Utah Amicus turned me onto this story about a blogger, "sarahbellum," who has been told by her employer that she needs to quit blogging. On her blog, she doesn't seem to talk about her work, and doesn't provide employer-identifiable information, but apparently they're upset about posts like this and this. She talks about the threat here, which seems to be exploding with comments.

Over at the Utah Amicus, I added my two cents:

I can't see how her employer is right.. I did a cursory look through her posts and couldn't see anything which could justify them demanding she not blog as a condition of employment.

I'd agree this isn't a classic first amendment debate, but these types of issues will come up more and more as we rely on corporations for our essential needs (employment, obviously), and as those needs come with increasingly onerous requirements.

But in the end, I think we're all kind of missing the point: Sarah is totally hot, and we should all be supporting her on that point if no other.

She was also born in the year of the rabbit, (I am also the sign of the rabbit), so if her hotness fails to convince you to support her, support the fact that she is a rabbit, and that rabbit's rule.

This one I stole from her profile

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Video - Mitt Romney Watch: Fighting for the Little Guy! (Million-Dollar Lobbyists, at least)

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Mitt Romney is mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore! Free Speech is being squelched! Billion dollar corporations are having to find new and innovative ways to buy politicians, and damnit, that's just not the American Way! Elect Romney and he'll work to repeal McCain-Feingold so that the buying of Politicians can be as straightforward as it always has been!





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Opinion - Matt Warren - The Liberal Boogeyman Cometh

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Liberal radio is unpopular
Bob Neale put in his Readers' Forum two-cents worth suggesting that to fix the problem of the radio waves being too conservative, he should join the jihad against the West (Feb. 28). But before Bob dons a turban and shoulders an AK47, he should understand that a radio broadcasting company isn't going to air a radio show that nobody listens to. That's why the liberal radio shows are far less popular. Conservatism does have control of public radio, but it doesn't amount to much when you consider that liberalism controls the media and public universities.

Matt Warren
West Jordan

It's hard to pack this much idiotic partisan rambling into one letter to the editor, but somehow Mr. Warren managed it.

First, he managed to bridge a hypothetical preconception and a complaint about neoconservative propaganda which saturates Fox News and the airwaves into a suggestion that Bob Neal Bob Neal (the focus of his scorn) was ready to don a "turban and AK47" and fight against his own country.

Second, if Mr. Warren so gleefully applies the "free market of ideas" theory to radio, why not to the "media" (of which Fox News and radio are apparently not a part of) and academics? Is it because some colleges receive funding from the state? Is there just some elaborate liberal conspiracy? Shouldn't the same evolutionary principles which free-market-enthusiasts espouse apply to these other areas? No, somehow it's different in these cases, right?

Making an assertion like "liberalism controls the media and public universities" is just plain ignorant and reflects a deep, borderline partisan-psychosis. The "studies" they like to cite to support their incessant whining about pervasive liberalism in Universities and media consist of shoddy rigmarole, which would be laughable if so many people didn't blindly accept them as gospel. I've actually read them. I suggest you do the same.

Since we're making contentions today, I'd like to contend that conservative radio is popular for a couple of reasons: 1) Conservatives are born followers. They love people to tell them what to do, and they love to be outraged while following their perpetually outraged leaders. Reason is less of an issue with them, since they tend towards the crazy as well. 2) People like Rush Limbaugh (wiki) do well on radio - less well in other areas - and not at all in academic circles, because his assertions cannot be backed up by fact or reason. His writing works only on the true believers, and his occasional forays into television were, to say the least, pathetic and embarrassing.

Perhaps academics tend to lean towards progressive ideas because they are more educated. Perhaps ignorance really does foster fear, and if there's one thing that conservatives like, it's for people to be afraid. And perhaps - and this might sound crazy - actually reporting the news, whether or not it is flattering to Republicans or not, isn't bias - it's just news.

Frankly, after the circus that Republicans deliberately made out of the Clinton/Monica Lewinsky affair, while our enemies plotted against us, and the ceaseless media coverage, I honestly can't understand how conservatives can still whine about the liberal media.

However, don't underestimate the neoconservative persistence. They were planning over two decades ago for events and appointments today. They have a plan to implement their ideology, and part of that plan is to indoctrinate the youth and force their ideology within academic circles. While they obviously wouldn't characterize it that way, it's important to note this isn't a conspiracy theory, this is their stated goal. And obviously, folk like Matt Warren are buying hook, line, and sinker.

A good example of this is the Terrorism Awareness Project which could be more aptly named the Create an Invisible Enemy Which can Never be Defeated but Only Kept at Bay While We are in Power Project. And they are concentrated on the schools. In fact, this is from their main page:

Welcome to the Terrorism Awareness website, the nerve center of a national Terrorism Awareness Project to wake up Americans – and particularly American college students – to the threat we face.

Translation: We need to convert the American Psyche, particularly the Psyches of young people, to a nationalistic, militant attitude of perpetual fear, paranoia and self-righteousness. Only then will we have the political capital to execute our full agenda.

I don't think these are evil people. I think they are dangerous, morally corrupted people who believe they are so right, and believe that because they are so right, that any dangerously speculative, consequence-intensive means and schemes are justified in pursuit of their relatively utopian ends. In this regard, they share exactly the same mindset as Islamic extremists.

Anyway, I'm not sure how this response to Matt Warren became a missive on the dangers of neoconservatives, but it did. Maybe it's because Matt Warren is a perfect example of someone who has been snowed by the neoconservative propaganda machine.

Don't let it happen to you!

DS
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Hear Ye! Hear Ye! Comments ARE being responded to!!

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I always appreciate people who leave comments. Sometimes they're stupid, but frequently (to my surprise), they're thoughtful, well-written perspectives. Occasionally they even provide a perspective I've not thought of at all.

In any event, I like to respond to those comments, and so I've been going back and responding to a few that I felt could use some follow-up. If you've commented before in the last few weeks, and I didn't answer immediately, you may find my response on one of the following stories:

Video - Fox News: Hannity Presses All-Out War on Democrats
(everyone jump on board!)

Video - Nancy Pelosi Spanks Dick Cheney
(Two Totally Different Perspectives)

Opinion - Walter Williams: Democracy leads to tyranny
(Wallter Williams - Did I judge him a partisan conservative too quickly?)

Opinion - Jeremy B. Roberts - Choice vs. Detention
(This was perhaps my most conflicted response)

Do we need to see disturbing images? DMN Readers Revolt
(Local Explicit Images but not International?)

Little Green Footballs vs. Deseret Morning News
(LGF Blows)

Opinion - Lynn E. Taylor - Yet Another False World War II Analogy
(Concerning surveillance and legal issues surrounding wiretapping)


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Video - Fox News: Hannity tries to Slander Obama's Church

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Sean Hannity. *sigh* What a guy, huh? He's Utah's favorite conservative hit man. Since Mitt Romney's religion has been getting so much attention, Hannity scraped the bottom of the barrel to try and come up with something about Barack Obama. The following video is an interview with the "journalist" at the New York Post (Sister publication or Fox News and infamous conservative hit magazine) to try and paint Sen. Obama's church as a racist cult. Here are a few classic lines:

"interpolated the words black for white"?

"Are they worshipping Christ or are they worshipping African things black?"

Notice that when the footage scans the crowd, there are a ton of white people there, by the way.

Fox News: Your Voice for Racist, Idiotic Bumbling.




DS
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Video - Fox News: Hannity Presses All-Out War on Democrats

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My favorite line is where Hannity is bemoaning "...the politics of personal destruction..." Can anyone honestly think of any demagogue, besides perhaps Ann Coulter, who has engaged in ruthless and baseless character assassination like Sean Hannity? The damage and division which Sean Hannity has caused in this country is incalculable, so needless to say, I'm not too keen on listening to him lecture about people destroying others lives.





DS
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Editorial - Lois M. Collins - Good Reminder for all of us passionate blogospherians - hey i just made that up!

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Lois M. Collins has a great article over on the Deseret Morning News today entitled "Think before writing angry diatribes to News."

This is good advice no matter who you're sending an letter to. I have a threshold rule I abide by, which dictates that if I know I am very upset about something, and I write a letter to someone on the topic, I sleep on it before I send it off. I have a folder on my computer filled with literally hundreds of unsent letters. There's no taking an e-mail back so it's always good to think first.

DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
The Deseret Morning News has nothing to do with the Deseret Spectacle. I mean really. Do we even have to say this? Well, apparently we do. So just to make it clear, we have zero, nada, zilch, absolutely nuthin'! to do and have no relation or are supported by the Deseret Morning News.
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Google Slides Back a Mark on the Evil Scale

Salt Lake City, Utah - ©2007 - The Deseret Spectacle

About this time last month we posted a story on Google getting evil. "Google: Ever Eviler Every Hour?" I'm still pleased with my alliteration there. Anyway, it pointed out that Google seemed to be censoring a legitimate feed from their news indexing, Uruknet.info.

Well, apparently, after a bunch of e-mails and postings all over the place, they've been reinstated. Yay Google.

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Opinion - Walter Williams: Democracy leads to tyranny

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The Deseret Morning News ran an article from conservative Walter Williams yesterday. I've been mulling it over since I read it, and I have to say, it's an excellent article, but extraordinarily strange coming from Walter Williams. For the last six years Walter Williams has supported President Bush and the Neoconservative agenda in nearly every way. He and his ilk have often talked about how "activist" judges are going against the will of the people, and how "obstructionist" members of Congress (read: Democrats) are thwarting the democratic process. So now his party has lost control of both houses of Congress and a slew of governorships. Suddenly, Mr. Williams has a newfound respect for the balancing of the majority and the rights of the individual.

His title, however, is a little unnerving:

Majority, democratic rule leads toward tyranny
By Walter Williams

I recommend going to the site and reading the article in its entirety. It's a good review of some of the checks and balances the founders engineered into our Republic. But here's what I don't get: Why the review? Maybe I'm trying too hard to read between the lines, but why is he touting these checks and balances? Is the "tyranny of the majority" only a threat when Democrats are in the majority? Is he prepping the populace for a spate of vetoes or other unilateral government action?

His article is well written. His title is frightening. His timing, frankly, makes me question his credibility. I don't remember seeing Mr. Williams penning articles about the rights of the minority when states were writing anti-gay-marriage amendments into their Constitutions. Conservative hypocrisy is the strangest kind, because they seem to thoroughly oblivious to it.

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