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DS, I’m a little surprised that you are in favor of removing copyright protection for all copyrighted material. Can you give us some background then on why you started adding the copyrighted symbol to all of your posting headings since January?
Here’s my take on copyright protection and altering videos: The tangible tape belongs to the customer who purchased it, but the artistic content belongs to the artist or copyright holder. I see no harm in the customer editing the tape to suit his/her tastes or even having someone else do it. BUT, if money is exchanged for this service to be done, THAT is where copyright infringement should kick in. CleanFlicks should not be allowed to take someone else’s work and profit from altering it. Now, if CleanFlicks wanted to become a non-profit organization and provide free movie editing to the masses, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. It’s the introduction of money into the equation that I have a problem with. Making money off of someone else’s idea, or compromising the artist’s ability to make money off of his/her own idea, is where I personally draw the line.Anonymous, thanks for the comment. You actually brought up a good point, and I appreciate the recognition of the seeming disconnect between my actions and words.
First, I should clarify what I said about removing copyright protection: I think that copyright serves a legitimate function and that copyright protection itself shouldn't be eliminated. I do think it should be scaled back, and the numerous extensions of copyright are detrimental to art and our economy.
My problem is with the mechanisms being employed to limit fair use of copyrighted material. For instance, I have no problem with someone taking excerpts from my postings while making their own points, but I do have a problem with someone, say, taking my entire collection of postings and publishing them under their own name for profit. I think that copyright protection mechanisms should be removed because they are an attempt to limit fair use of copyrighted material.
This in and of itself wouldn't be so bad, because these mechanisms are almost always compromised (as was the case with DVD's and the Norwegian teen), but with the anti-circumvention provision of the DMCA, even if you can figure out a way to get around these copyright-control mechanisms you are committing a felony by doing so.
To answer your question, in early January I began adding a copyright symbol as part of each posting template on the advice of a family member. Even though this is a "poor man's copyright", it does give me some rights and privileges over my own work and would allow me some latitude if I felt others were misappropriating my work for their own ends.
You might also notice that around the same time, I removed all advertisements from my blog. I say this only to point out that the copyright symbol was not added for financial reasons.
Quick Disclaimer: Whether the blog will stay free from advertisements will largely depend on how my plans go to move to a server which has actual costs associated with it.
I have to disagree with your take on CleanFlicks. Philosophically I have problems with people altering a "whole work", because I do have respect for the "holistic" nature of a work of art, and hate to see that bastardized, but in the end, no man is an island, and no writing, software, music or other form of art is created without the influences of other art.
I am also sympathetic to the argument that if you don't want to see a movie, then don't see it - don't alter it to suit your tastes. Personally, this is what I do - although I have been tempted to download some "fan edits" of "Star Wars Episode I", where several scenes featuring that obnoxious whatever-it-is have been edited out.
But ultimately, CleanFlicks is fulfilling market demand. Although I have not investigated this, I don't think they are depriving the copyright holder or artist of any money due them - each DVD is still paid for. Assuming that, they are simply a "value-added" service provider, whose service, as repugnant as it may be to me, is adding to the industry and doesn't seem to detract from it in significant way that I can tell.
In any event, thank you for the thoughtful commentary and your pointed questions. I would like to e-mail you personally, but just as a heads up, I may put this up as its own post and because of the length of the comments.
Cheers,
DSOne other quick point:
You have probably noticed that articles, blogs and other written publications quote liberally from other sources. I think this is a good thing.
If I were to design some sort of floating, transparent image, some JavaScript which prevented the selection of text or some other mechanism to protect my "writing" from being copied, it could well be considered a legitimate protection scheme under the DMCA. I remember several incidences of this happening in the immediate wake of the DMCA. Token protections which were easily circumvented, but put into place to draw on the power of the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA.
Anyway, no matter how trivial it would be to circumvent it (and it would be trivial), anyone doing so - even for perfectly legitimate, "fair use", reasons - could conceivably face civil and criminal action. That is what I have a problem with.
DS
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"Maybe just to get a reaction out of them.."
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Don't trample on copyright
Sometimes I wonder whether people think through their arguments. W.L. Haynes of West Valley City (Readers' Forum, March 25) suggests that movies with questionable content can be made (so that voyeurs can fulfill their sexual fantasies) but that the copyright protection should be removed so that companies like CleanFlicks can alter them, in accord with the delicate sensibilities of the rest of us. Have we gone down the rabbit hole?
You have the right to speak as you will. You have the right to turn off or walk away from material that you find offensive. You do not have the right to alter someone's intellectual or artistic property simply because you disagree with its message.
That's why the Book of Mormon is protected by copyright.
Christopher Thornblad
Farmington
"DMCA anti-circumvention provisions ....implemented a broad ban on the circumvention of copy prevention systems and required that all analog video recorders have support for a specific form of copy prevention commonly known as Macrovision built in."
* Audiovisual works included in the educational library of a college or university’s film or media studies department, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of making compilations of portions of those works for educational use in the classroom by media studies or film professors. (A new exemption in 2006.)
* Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. (A renewed exemption, first approved in 2003.)
* Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete. A dongle shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured or if a replacement or repair is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. (Revised from a similar exemption approved in 2003.)
* Literary works distributed in ebook format when all existing ebook editions of the work (including digital text editions made available by authorized entities) contain access controls that prevent the enabling either of the book’s read-aloud function or of screen readers that render the text into a specialized format. (Revised from a similar exemption approved in 2003.)
* Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network. (A new exemption in 2006.)
* Sound recordings, and audiovisual works associated with those sound recordings, distributed in compact disc format and protected by technological protection measures that control access to lawfully purchased works and create or exploit security flaws or vulnerabilities that compromise the security of personal computers, when circumvention is accomplished solely for the purpose of good faith testing, investigating, or correcting such security flaws or vulnerabilities. (A new exemption in 2006.)
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If I were mayor ...
If I were mayor, I would look upon that as a job and not a religious calling. I would try not to forget my true priorities, which are:
1. I am a child of God.
2. I am a man, husband to my wife and father to my children.
3. I am an American. I love this country and the good life that I have.
4. I am a Utahn, simply because I live here.
5. From here I am many other things, but if I were mayor, this is where that job would reside.
Bob Neale
Salt Lake City
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Cheney at Y.? Bad decision
I have one thing to say about the invitation of Dick Cheney to speak at my alma mater's commencement. "You have to be kidding me!" How can we support such an obviously harebrained decision?
Bart Mortensen
Aurora, Colo.
Not all at Y. back Cheney
I want to voice my opinion over the recent announcement that Vice President Dick Cheney will speak at my university's commencement. Please let the public know that not all students at BYU support this idea. I personally find Dick Cheney to be a morally reprehensible man. He has lied to the American public a number of times, including the Iran-Contra affair and this unfortunate war in Iraq. I do not think Mr. Cheney should be a representative of our school.
The LDS Church and Brigham Young University claim to be politically neutral; however, when we invite such a polemic figure to speak at our university we cannot hold that position. We ought to have invited someone who can offer moral and spiritual advice to the graduating class, not a man who is a combative politician.
Casey DuBose
Provo
Proud of Y. for Cheney invite
I am struck by a number of statements made in the article, "A Cheney Protest at Y?" I hope that the comment by Darren Hawkins that Dick Cheney "may be the most unpopular vice president in history" is a misquote — otherwise it demonstrates astounding historical myopia.
Does the name Spiro Agnew ring a bell? Andrew Johnson? Aaron Burr? Further, the notion that "he may be the most unpopular person in America right now, so, yes, where else could he go?" is troubling.
First, in its hyperbole (Barry Bonds and Simon Cowell likely carry more far-reaching negative name recognition) and, worse, those who oversee American higher education nationally are so close-minded and have drifted so far to the left that they would reject hearing an address by the man who is a heartbeat from being the most powerful person in the world.
I, for one, am gratified to be associated with a university that welcomes the vice president of the United States of America to its campus.
Andrew H. Dabczynski
professor of music education
Brigham Young University
"Does the name Spiro Agnew (DS: Quit after being indicted for Tax Evasion - (wiki)) ring a bell? Andrew Johnson? (DS: Succeeded to the Presidency after Abraham Lincoln was assassinated - first President to be impeached (and acquitted by a single vote) during the "reconstruction" period following the Civil War (wiki)) Aaron Burr? (DS: Mortally Wounded political rival Alexander Hamilton after challenging him to a duel - was indicted on murder charges. Interesting also in as much as he was that last Vice President to shoot someone (in 1804) before Vice President Cheney did (in 2006) (wiki)"
"Further, the notion that "he may be the most unpopular person in America right now, so, yes, where else could he go?" is troubling."
First, in its hyperbole (Barry Bonds and Simon Cowell likely carry more far-reaching negative name recognition)
"...those who oversee American higher education nationally are so close-minded and have drifted so far to the left that they would reject hearing an address by the man who is a heartbeat from being the most powerful person in the world."
I, for one, am gratified to be associated with a university that welcomes the vice president of the United States of America to its campus.
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Monica Goodling, who was involved in the firings, said: "I have decided to follow my lawyer's advice and respectfully invoke my constitutional right because the ... circumstances present a perilous environment in which to testify."
" Brett Tolman, now the U.S. attorney for Utah, put the provision in the Patriot Act reauthorization passed in early 2006 while he was working for the Senate Judiciary Committee, based on e-mails released by the Justice Department and statements made by Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., who was the chairman of the committee at the time.
E-mails from November 2005 show Moschella explaining different options to Tolman including a "more comprehensive fix" that would allow an interim U.S. attorney to serve until the president nominated a new person. Moschella explained that "judges should not be appointing USA's period for separation of powers issue."
Tolman tells Moschella, "I will get the comprehensive fix done." The bill became law a few months later but the bill passed Monday would revert to the court appointing an attorney until a new one is confirmed."
Daniel P. Collins
Los Angeles Office
Email Daniel.Collins@mto.com
Phone (213) 683-9125
Fax (213) 683-5125
V-Card:
Practice - Litigation
Education - Harvard University (A.B., summa cum laude, 1985)
Stanford Law School (J.D., with Distinction, 1988) - Order of the Coif
Clerkship
Judge Dorothy W. Nelson, U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, 1988-1989
Justice Antonin Scalia, U.S. Supreme Court, 1991-1992
DANIEL COLLINS is a Partner in the Los Angeles office of Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP. Mr. Collins’ practice focuses on appellate litigation and complex civil litigation. He has represented a wide variety of clients in numerous appellate matters in the Ninth Circuit, the U.S. Supreme Court, and the California appellate courts. These appellate matters have included cases involving securities law, federal preemption, the First Amendment, civil RICO (DS: Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (wiki)), and qui tam litigation (DS: (wiki) - Qui tam is a legal provision in the United States under the False Claims Act (31 U.S.C. § 3729 et seq.), which allows for a private individual, or whistleblower with knowledge of past or present fraud committed against the U.S. federal government to bring suit on its behalf. Its name is an abbreviation of the Latin phrase “qui tam pro domino rege quam pro se ipso in hoc parte sequitur,” meaning “he who [sues] for the king as well as for himself.")). Mr. Collins’ civil litigation practice has included the defense of significant cases under the Alien Tort Statute (DS: (wiki) - The Alien Tort Statute, 28 U.S.C. § 1350, (ATS) is a federal law that states, in relevant part: "The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of any civil action by an alien for a tort only, committed in violation of the law of nations or a treaty of the United States." Recently, this statute has become significant as a means of allowing American government, military, and corporate leaders to be held responsible in a court of law for the human rights abuses committed as a result of their presence in a foreign country. This is regardless of whether the abuses were committed by someone within an American organization, or whether the abuses were committed by a local group empowered by the presence of the American organization.")), including winning summary judgment in one of the first such cases filed against a corporation (DS: (wiki) - Found this reference "For UNOCAL CORP, a Calif corp, defendant: Edwin V Woodsome, Jr, Kristin A Linsley, Daniel P Collins, Munger Tolles & Olson, Los Angeles, CA." - apparently this concerned a company called Unocal, a - surprise, surprise - oil & gas company. From wiki - "Myanmar - Unocal, along with Total S.A., was charged with numerous human rights violations in the construction of the Yadana Pipeline in Myanmar, also known as Burma. Since 1988, Myanmar has been governed by a military junta. The pipeline consortium (which included Unocal) employed the Burmese military, according to the company, to protect the pipeline from insurgents and terrorists. The Burmese soldiers have been accused by villagers in the vicinity of the pipeline of torture, rape and forced labor. Unocal has condemned these actions and points out that the company does not control the Burmese military and did not hire them to police residents.
Unocal is the defendant in legal action brought in the United States under the Alien Tort Claims Act of 1789, a law originally designed to aid victims of pirates. The United States Department of Justice has taken measures to oppose use of the law in human rights cases, and business groups have lobbied the U.S. Congress to repeal the law. It is said to interfere with U.S. foreign relations. This would nullify all pending lawsuits filed under the act. Plaintiffs and Unocal settled the lawsuits against Unocal for an unspecified amount in April, 2005." (a ruling now under review in the Ninth Circuit). He has also represented a major tobacco company in numerous federal and state cases filed by union trust funds seeking recovery of healthcare expenses, ultimately obtaining dismissals with prejudice in all cases. (DS: Sounds like a super evi-.. er.. nice guy)
Over the course of his career, Mr. Collins has argued in numerous federal and state appellate and trial courts. In particular, he has argued 23 cases in the Ninth Circuit, including one case before the en banc court. Mr. Collins has also argued before the International Court of Justice in The Hague. Mr. Collins is a member of the California Bar and the District of Columbia Bar, and is admitted to practice before the Sixth, Ninth, Eleventh, and D.C. Circuits.
Between June 2001 and September 2003, Mr. Collins served as an Associate Deputy Attorney General in the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, U.S. Department of Justice, and during the same period he also served as the Department’s Chief Privacy Officer. (DS: Chief Privacy Officer??) While serving in the Deputy Attorney General’s Office, Mr. Collins coordinated the Department’s efforts on several major legislative and policy initiatives, and testified multiple times before the Judiciary Committees of both the House and the Senate. In particular, Mr. Collins worked extensively on the Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today (“PROTECT”) Act of 2003, which included provisions to combat child pornography and child abuse and to reform federal sentencing laws, as well as on the Identity Theft Penalty Enhancement Act. (DS: These two acts are also viewed in connection with the Bush administration's efforts to force ISP's (internet service providers) to retain data on your every action on the internet for up to two years) Mr. Collins also coordinated the Department’s 2003 review and revision of its policies on charging of criminal offenses, plea bargaining, sentencing recommendations, and sentencing appeals. He also played a key role in the formulation of the Civil Rights’ Division’s guidelines on prohibiting the use of racial profiling in federal law enforcement. (DS: Bang up job, Mr. Collins) Mr. Collins also worked on a number of matters relating to the war on terror, including the establishment of a Terrorist Screening Center.
Prior to joining Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP in 1996, Mr. Collins served three and one-half years as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Criminal Division of the Office of the United States Attorney in Los Angeles, prosecuting more than 60 criminal cases, including eight jury trials. For more than half his tenure in the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Mr. Collins was a member of the Criminal Appeals Section, where he supervised the preparation of more than 100 appellate briefs and argued numerous cases in the Ninth Circuit.
Mr. Collins received his A.B. summa cum laude from Harvard College in 1985. While at Harvard, he was elected First Marshal of Phi Beta Kappa. He earned his J.D., with distinction, from Stanford University in 1988, and was a member of the Order of the Coif. He served as a note editor for the Stanford Law Review, and was awarded the Stanford Law Review Board of Editors’ Award for outstanding editorial contributions to the Review.
After graduating law school, Mr. Collins was a law clerk for the Honorable Dorothy W. Nelson of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (1988-1989). From 1989 until 1991, he served as an Attorney Adviser in the Office of Legal Counsel in the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. He clerked for the Honorable Antonin Scalia of the U.S. Supreme Court during the October 1991 Term (1991-1992).
From 1997 to 1998, Mr. Collins was an adjunct professor, teaching appellate advocacy at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
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The President and the Press:
Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association
President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel
New York City, April 27, 1961
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Non-Salt Lakers' views valid
To think opinions about Rocky Anderson from people outside of Salt Lake are worthless is folly. What a mayor does in the capital city of a state can affect the entire state. Did New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin's action — or inaction — during Hurricane Katrina not have a bearing on Louisiana and surrounding environs? If the Readers' Forum featured letters from only Salt Lake City readers, what a dull place it would be.
David M. Candland
Taylorsville
Labels: BAWA, David M. Candland, idiocy, Letters to the Editor, opinion, Rocky Anderson, whiner
Global warming not political
Why is there any need to make global warming a political issue? Global warming is caused by dirty air. Every Utah resident surely appreciates clean air, regardless of political opinion. Who cares if Al Gore or Newt Gingrich is urging action to reverse global warming? It is a critical issue, no matter who the messenger is.
James Miller
Park City
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"Then Cain and Abel he begat - and they begat all of the rest to us
Which means they must have been incestuous - I'm gonna have to pray about that.."
....
"God made the world just like it is - He made the fossils just to tease us..
Old bones to test our faith in Jesus - Yeah this will all be on the quiz."
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Cheney invite inappropriate
I am not an alumnus or graduate of BYU, but I am a tithe payer and a concerned member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Why invite the current vice president to speak at BYU? Ponder the 13th Article of Faith and the ways Vice President Dick Cheney fails in this tenet — particularly the part about believing in being honest, true, benevolent and in doing good to all men.
Why invite a man who endorses "waterboarding" and shrugs it off as a "no-brainer"?
How does the invitation of this man and what he stands for serve the LDS Church and the graduates of its flagship institution?
I am deeply disturbed and saddened by the news of even considering him as appropriate to speak at BYU.
Mark S. Tiller
Salt Lake City
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I would like to see the actual trademark. I ran a PTO search and found various Church-registered trademarks, but didn't see one involving the angel Moroni. I'm far from an expert in patient/trademark, but I don't want to assume it's true without seeing the proof.
Posted by Voice of Utah (blog) | March 25, 2007 8:31 AM
Word Mark MORONI BITTER M CASA FONDATA NEL 1843
Goods and Services (CANCELLED) IC 033. US 049. G & S: Alcoholic Bitters
Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code 03.01.02 - Lions (heraldic)
20.03.10 - Alcohol bottle labels; Bottles, labels for alcohol bottles; Labels, alcohol bottles
24.07.04 - Medals
24.09.07 - Advertising, banners; Banners
24.11.01 - Crowns closed at the top
Serial Number 73384892
Filing Date September 13, 1982
Current Filing Basis 44E
Original Filing Basis 44E
Published for Opposition February 21, 1984
Registration Number 1278242
Registration Date May 15, 1984
Owner (REGISTRANT) Zucca Rabarzucca S.p.A. CORPORATION ITALY 47 Via Vincenzo da Seregno Milan ITALY
Attorney of Record Marvin R. Stern
Disclaimer No claim is made to the exclusive right to use the words "Bitter" and "Casa Fondata Nel 1843", apart from the mark as shown.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Cancellation Date October 24, 1990
It also doesn't officially say anywhere in the scriptures or what have you that coffee is expressly forbidden. Just says hot beverages. So bye-bye hot chocolate, soup, etc. Silly what get's everybody's panties in a twist, innit?
Posted by Alicia (blog) | March 26, 2007 4:40 PM
7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
Labels: Angel Moroni, christianity, Coffee, Dogma, funny, irreverence, Mormonism, religion, Word of Wisdom
"Showing the Angel Moroni with his trumpet bent upward so a disembodied hand can pour coffee from a drip pot into his mouth is offensive. The statue on the top of the Temple is meaningful for Mormons. To show this statue drinking coffee is not playful or cute. It is hurtful. Why would you accept such an ad?"
In an area with such a large proportion of LDS members, it is an offensive ad, since many Mormons follow the Word of Wisdom's call for total abstinence from coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco. To portray the Angel Moroni breaking this word is not funny; it is offensive. A bar ad in Boston showing Jesus doing shots with scantily clad college coeds would offend the many Catholics in that area.

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Cheney's message wrong
I strongly object to BYU's invitation to Vice President Dick Cheney to speak at the April 2007 commencement exercises. His presence will cause many people — perhaps even the majority of Utahns — to believe and occasionally to state that BYU and the LDS Church prefer Republicans over Democrats. Furthermore, this invitation is a tacit acceptance of the misbegotten war in Iraq that Vice President Cheney promoted and has defended.
Bruce Van Orden
Springville
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Rocky hatred pointless
I have a fantastic idea for the loyal "Bushies" living in Bountiful, South Jordan, Sandy — and other places — who have such deep hatred for Mayor Rocky Anderson: Move to Salt Lake City and actually vote for Salt Lake City's mayor. That way your endless flow of letters to the editor won't be so utterly worthless.
Daniel Camp
Murray
Labels: Daniel Camp, Hypocrisy, Letters to the Editor, opinion, Salt Lake City, Utah Democrats, Utah Republicans
What's going on in Minnesota? It seems to be on its way to be America's first Somali-Muslim state.
Then we have the situation with Target where Muslim cashiers refused to handle a package of bacon at the checkout stand. Target has now reassigned those people so they don't have to handle pork, which means that Target has agreed to go along with Sharia law.
Then news today that in a suburb of Woodbury a man and a woman were found with a thousand pounds of khat.
What is khat you might ask? It is a mildly hallucinogenic drug which is a favorite of Somalis. When I was in Somali the biggest crowds at the outdoor markets were always around the khat stall, where a new load of the leafy drug had arrived from the bush country or from neighboring Kenya.
All these indicators say one thing very dramatically: Somalis coming to Minnesota are not assimilating. They are bringing the Muslim culture of that desert country to Minnesota's snowy woods. They may have to wear warmer clothing, but the Somalis want Islamic law just like back home. And they want the same illegal drug they had back home, too.
Minnesota is famously liberal and now all eyes are on the state to see how voters there react to this onslaught against their culture and law. Are Minnesotans going to be so open-minded they say, sure you can have a different kind of law here, just for you and your people. We don't mind. We'll pretend we don't notice.
That's My Word.
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COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has cooled his friendship with Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson now that the liberal Democrat has called for President Bush's impeachment. Anderson's views about Bush have created a rift
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Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson was manhandled on national television by Bill O'Reilly. There was a lesson to be learned for the citizens of this city. Let's learn from our mistakes and make a vow to elect an official next time who really wants the job of mayor rather than someone who uses it as a catalyst to push his or her personal agenda.
Let's bring a sense of honor back to the office and vote for the candidate who truly reflects our sense of community.
After watching Bill O' Reilly interview Mayor Rocky Anderson, it was apparent that Bill could barely suffer him. The main subject of the interview was the mayor's insistence that President Bush should be impeached and that there was a constitutional basis upon which this could be done.
The wisdom of how the war has been waged can be debated by people of good will who have differing opinions. But by his obvious and baseless prejudice, the mayor of Salt Lake City has brought shame upon his constituents.
Any city or state is capable of producing people who are dishonorable or even crazed. It is only a negative reflection and embarrassment for a community when those people are elected officials.
Labels: Bill O'Reilly, Hypocrisy, idiocy, Joan Hudgins, Letters to the Editor, opinion, partisan psychosis, President Bush, Rocky Anderson, Ron Anderson, video
'Right-wing' label shows bias
The Deseret Morning News calls Bill O'Reilly "ultra-conservative" and the Salt Lake Tribune labels him "right-wing," but neither paper used similarly loaded adjectives to describe Mayor Rocky Anderson. The one-sided use of inflammatory adjectives is a perfect example of why many of us perceive media bias and why there is corresponding media resentment. Either label them all or don't label any.
Doug Dansie
Salt Lake City
Labels: Bill O'Reilly, Doug Dansie, Letters to the Editor, media bias, opinion, partisan psychosis, Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake City
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Double standard at work - 03.16.2007
I'm intrigued and surprised by the use of the word "scandal" in the front page headline describing the firing of eight U.S. attorneys (March 14). Did the headline writer borrow the phrase from the DNC press release? I don't recall the Deseret Morning News using the pejorative term "scandal" to describe the firing of 93 U.S. attorneys by Janet Reno under the Clinton administration. Is there a double standard at work?
John B. Stohlton
Provo
Why are firings a scandal? - 03.17.2007
Scandal? What scandal? What makes the firing of a person serving at the pleasure of the president a scandal? The press makes it that — simply because it says so.
I, for one am happy about the U.S. attorney in Arizona being sacked. He perpetuated a policy that the U.S. government would not prosecute smugglers for any drug offenses unless a threshold amount was found.
The practice, not founded in law, rankled the ranks of the local law enforcement officers and county attorneys all along the border.
Gerald A. Eberwein
Naco, Ariz.
Q Can I come back to the U.S. attorneys for a second. Kyle Sampson sent an email to Harriet Miers in March '05, ranked all these U.S. attorneys. And one of the factors was that strong performers exhibited loyalty. I wonder if you could talk about what role does loyalty play in evaluating prosecutors who are charged with enforcing the law and investigating corruption --
MR. SNOW: Peter, since that was -- we're putting these things out so people can take a look at it. The most important thing that you have U.S. attorneys is that they perform their jobs well.
Q But how does loyalty figure into that?
MR. SNOW: Again, I don't have an answer for you. I mean, what you're really talking -- you're going to have to ask Kyle Sampson what that is.
Q Well, you've gotten rid of him, so -- (laughter) -- he's no longer --
MR. SNOW: Well, I know, but you know what, that's -- I'm just telling you that the metric that's being used are effective, and for trying to figure out what Kyle Sampson meant, you've got to ask him.
Q Well, how about now?
MR. SNOW: How about now? Again, what we've talked about is being effective in going ahead and enforcing the law.
Q Is part of "effective" currently loyalty to the administration?
MR. SNOW: Look, these are political appointees, so these are people who certainly have the support of the administration. But are we having loyalty tests? No.
"The vast majority of U.S. Attorneys, 80-85 percent, I would guess, are doing a great job, are loyal Bushies, etc., etc."
93 attorneys don't count? - 03.18.2007
Gee, while we are investigating this scandal over the eight U.S. attorneys who were fired, we should also give a look at the Travel Office.
Oh. That wasn't Bush. It was Hillary. And they weren't even attorneys. I guess the 93 attorneys her husband fired don't count either.
Cheryl T. Barney
Salt Lake City
Firings are not a scandal - Monday, March 19, 2007
Twice you have had front page headlines referring to the firing of eight U.S. attorneys as a "scandal." Just what is it that the Deseret Morning News doesn't understand about Government 101? U.S. attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president. He doesn't need a reason to fire them.
And what makes you think a group of congressmen, most of whom I wouldn't trust to change a toilet paper roll, are suited to micro-manage the operation of the executive branch?
The scandal is your coverage of this nonissue.
Lee Allen
Provo
And what makes you think a group of congressmen, most of whom I wouldn't trust to change a toilet paper roll, are suited to micro-manage the operation of the executive branch?
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Start monitoring Congress?
I was pleased to read that Homeland Security is convinced it has the monitoring of foreign terrorists under control and that the department is going to start watching domestic terrorist cells more closely.
Does that mean they're going to start monitoring Congress?
Frank C. Overfelt
Cottonwood Heights
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Specter explained that the request for the language's insertion came from a Justice Department representative, and was handled by Brett Tolman*, who is now the United States Attorney for Utah, and that the principal reason for the change was to resolve "separation of power issues."
Prior to the PATRIOT Act, U.S. attorneys were replaced by the Attorney General for 120 days and then appointments by the Court or the First Assistant succeeded to the position of U.S. Attorney. The PATRIOT Act gave broader powers to the Attorney General to appoint replacement U.S. Attorneys. I then contacted my very-able Chief Council Michael O’Neill to find out exactly what had happened. Mr. O’Neill advised me that the requested change had come from the Department of Justice, that it had been handled by Brett Tolman, who is now the US Attorney for Utah.
Associate Deputy Attorney General William Moschella discussed the Patriot Act provision with Brett Tolman, then a Republican staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Tolman, with the support of Hatch, won the job over Sampson for U.S. attorney in Utah.
This change, paired with the fact the White House thought about getting rid of all 93 U.S. Attorneys, have led some lawmakers to draw the conclusion that the administration want to fill in the slots with own people without going through regular Senate confirmation.
In 2006, Sampson was in the middle of a debate as who would replace Paul Warner, U.S. attorney for Utah. The White House and Justice Department pushed for Sampson, while Hatch and other senators wanted Brett Tolman. Tolman eventually won the formal nomination .
The provision was added to the Patriot Act at the Justice Department's request by Brett Tolman, who worked for Specter, the senator said last month. Tolman, now the U.S. Attorney for Utah, has declined to comment. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said she wants to explore the issue further, after William Moschella, a senior Justice Department official, told McClatchy Newspapers that he requested the change on his own.
In a Nov. 9, 2005, e-mail, Moschella discussed the possible changes with Brett Tolman, then a Republican staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Tolman is now U.S. attorney in Utah.
"The vast majority of U.S. Attorneys, 80-85 percent, I would guess, are doing a great job, are loyal Bushies, etc., etc."
"4. As a political matter, each of our U.S. Attorneys has been recommended by one or more political leaders in their home State. I suspect that when push comes to shove, home-State Senators likely would resist wholesale (or even piecemeal) replacement of U.S. Attorneys they recommended (see Senator Hatch and the Utah U.S. Attorney). That said, if Karl thinks there would be political will to do it, then so do I."
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"I'm so fired up about Mitt Romney for President I can hardly sleep at night."
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"There are not enough good words in the English Language to describe Mitt Romney and the job he's doing."
"Mitt Romney would bring freshness into the Washington situation."
"He would come with a new outlook, a fresh face, new understanding combined with a deep, deep capacity for leadership and new thinking."
"Look at the same problems with a new look and say 'let's do it a little differently' and most importantly 'Let's get it done.'"
"We spend far too much time talking and saying 'ohhhh yes, that's the problem, oohhh yes no maybe we could consider this' and not nearly enough time working on it and solving it."
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Former Utah-based attorney and Brigham Young University graduate D. Kyle Sampson resigned Monday as chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in the midst of a growing scandal involving eight fired U.S. attorneys.
Sampson, who almost became Utah's U.S. attorney, had a federal political career that included stops in the U.S. Congress, the White House and the Justice Department.
Democrats in the House and Senate plan for hearings and investigations into what really led to the firings of the U.S. attorneys and who were the major players.
Justice Department officials have testified before Congress that decisions to fire the attorneys were based on the individual attorneys' job performances without any input from the White House.
But documents released by the Justice Department to the House Judiciary Committee show Sampson had multiple e-mail conversations with White House counsel Harriet Miers and other officials in deciding — and sometimes listing — which attorneys should go.
Gonzales dismissed calls for his resignation at a press conference Tuesday but admitted that "mistakes were made" and will be corrected so they will not happen again.
"Obviously, I am concerned about the fact that information — incomplete information — was communicated or may have been communicated to the Congress," Gonzales said.
(click here for the full article)
Cafferty: And it's not enough that the Attorney General of the United States is a glorified water boy for the White House. The Bush administration also is admitting now that its #1 political HACK, Karl Rove passed along complaints from Republican lawmakers about US attorney's to the Justice Department and the WH counsel's office. A political advisor—playing a role in the hiring and firing of US attorney's. It's disgraceful. —-
Cafferty: If you look up the word weasel in the dictionary Wolf, you'll see Alberto Gonzales's picture there.
Wolf: You don't like him?
Cafferty: That is correct, I don't.
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Hillary not fit to run U.S.
If you put your political finger in the air to see which way the polls are blowing, you are not a leader. You are a follower. I am sick of "Mrs. Bill Clinton" flip-flopping and flip-flopping — depending on which group she is addressing. The woman is not fit to run the country at this perilous time in history.
Kyle Williams
Salt Lake City
Rudy Giuliani - (wiki) - (official) - (flip-flopper)
John McCain - (wiki) - (official) - (flip-flopper)
Mitt Romney - (wiki) - (official) - (flip-flopper)
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Legislators also chose war
I've never understood the mantra "President Bush misled us into war." Last I checked, we still have three branches of government, designed to balance power, to think and act independently of each branch. It's shameful and embarrassing that our elected legislators act like helpless bystanders to their own decisions.
Leaders don't apologize for decisions. They stand by them, given the wisdom and information they had at the time. Leaders, however, can and should change decisions when their previous opinions are held under truth's scrutiny. Leaders follow truth, not popular dogma, and never blame others for their decisions.
Randy Blosil
Orem
"They didn't support the war! Excuse me, they supported a resolution that said as a last resort, we're going to give you, Sheriff George Bush, a badge and a gun, that's not saying we want you to go in their blasting at the first sign of trouble."
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"It's unfortunate that these cities and townships are misreading the Patriot Act," said Mark Corallo, a Justice Department spokesman.
He said that people who criticize the bill "have missed the fact that the protections that reside in our Constitution reside in the Patriot Act," and that "not a single federal court or Congress, have cited a single instance of abuse of civil liberties."
Keith Olbermann on the Patriot Act Abuses. (VIDEO)
CNN Reports on the admited FBI abuses. (VIDEO)
Jack Cafferty, as usual, says it like it is. (VIDEO)
And Fox News? Well, they're white-washing the hell out of it, as expected. (VIDEO)
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"Is Anna Nichole Smith still dead, Wolf?"
"Yes, we're going to be updating our viewers on...."
"Great, can't wait for more of that."
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Leave 'news analyses' off A1
Please just report the news on the front page and save your "News Analysis" for the opinion page.
I will read your news reports and make my own "analysis," thank you.
Eve Drown
Riverton
5 out 5 Stars - Need sleep!, August 22nd 2002
Reviewer: Eve Drown from Riverton, Utah, United States
"I stayed up almost all night reading this book. It was riveting and a real page-turner. It tells us things the liberal media would never, ever admit about themselves but we have known all along. Thanks, Ann for giving conservatives a voice. If you liked Bias you'll love this."
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Hate speech isn't funny
Dennis Kostecki (Readers' Forum, March 7) states, "For some odd reason, types like (Ann) Coulter believe they have a birthright to characterize other people in the most vicious manner possible."
Yes, it makes you wonder why Bill Maher or Whoopee Goldberg are not forced into rehab for their hate speech humor which gets "laughs and guffaws" from their "lowest common denominator audience."
Doug Dansie
Salt Lake City
On Islamic extremists: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter, National Review Online, September 2001
"The presumption of innocence only means you don't go right to jail."
-- Ann Coulter, Hannity & Colmes,August 24, 2001
"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it! It's yours.'"
-- Ann Coulter, Hannity & Colmes,June 20, 2001
"The thing I like about Bush is I think he hates liberals."
-- Ann Coulter, Washington Post, August 1, 2000
"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."
-- Ann Coulter, Rivera Live, August 2, 1999
"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."
-- Ann Coulter, George, July 1999
On Rep. Christopher Shays (D-CT) in deciding whether to run against him as a Libertarian candidate: "I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain."
-- Ann Coulter, Hartford Courant, June 25, 1999
To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."
-- Ann Coulter, MSNBC
"I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn't."
-- Ann Coulter, TV Guide, August 1997
"I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."
-- Ann Coulter, Hannity & Colmes, August 17, 1997
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Freedom comes before peace
I enjoyed Elaine Jarvik's account of the work of Ashley Anderson and Julianne Fitzgerald who are working for the establishment of a Cabinet-level Department of Peace (March 5). They need to keep in mind that peace without freedom is slavery and peace without justice is despotism. We already have a Department of Justice, (we think). We need a Department of Freedom before we need a Department of Peace.
Murray Hayward
Sandy
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GOP no better than Demos
Utah has long been accused of being a one-party state. Consider this. We have the Democrats, then we have the current governor, his predecessor and most of the Republican dominated Legislature, who tax, spend, waste, control, regulate and abandon traditional conservative values just as though they were Democrats.
As it turns out, the accusers are probably correct.
We truly are a one-party state!
Steve Barnes
Sandy
We truly are a one-party state!?
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"-- Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, leader of the militant group "
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Save kids from pornography
The time has come for law-enforcement agencies to find a solution to the ever-expanding number of sex offenders. Obviously, arresting the guilty is a must, but we need to find the root of these evils. My proposal would be to make pornography illegal. It's addictive and is easily accessed. It's time for lawmakers to recognize this and put a stop to it. Save our children from a fate worse than death.
David Morris
Midvale
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Illegals are the 'bad guys'
According to a recent Deseret Morning News editorial (March 5), "Solid souls (illegal immigrants) should be given temporary legal status. ... And the practical way to do this is to allow law-enforcement officers to target and pursue the bad guys."
I assume, therefore, that the Deseret Morning News supports arresting, convicting and then deporting the millions of illegal immigrant "bad guys" who are using the stolen Social Security numbers and other identity documents of millions of American citizens, including tens of thousands of Utah children.
To paraphrase the editorial writer, giving temporary legal status (amnesty) to illegal aliens who are using the stolen identities of millions of innocent Americans is not only lazy thinking, it is immoral.
Ronald W. Mortensen
Bountiful
I happen to know Ron personally and can vouch for him that he is not a racist. Evidence for that is in the fact that he travels around the world for his work, giving aid to just about every country, every ethnic group, that you can imagine.
He really loves his job!
He's also married to a foreign national, and has committed to me personally, on more than one occasion that he is in support of legal immigration.
Why wouldn't he be in favor of immigration?
He does see the world in black and white, though. Millions of illegals, to him, means millions of job-seeking people. So, either, an employer is breaking a law to hire illegals, or the illegal is stealing an identity to do get work.
Tyler,Posted by Tyler | March 09, 2007 5:02 PM:
I appreciate your perspective, and thank you for commenting. It is easy to get off on a rant against someone you don't know.
I oppose illegal immigration and am in favor of legal immigration. In fact, I'm in favor of streamlining and making it easier to legally immigrate and acclimate to American Culture.
However, Ronald didn't draw a distinction between the employers breaking laws, he contended - quite flatly - that it must be that the illegal immigrants are trading on the stolen identities of innocent Americans and their "children."
This gives a very skewed perspective of the issue, and one that I think is at best, unfair, at worst, damaging and even more divisive.
Finally, perhaps he didn't write the title, but he called all illegal immigrants "bad people", and to me - and again, I don't say this lightly - it smacks of racism.
From your testimonial, I believe that's probably not the case with him, but I think it would be easy for others to conclude the same thing.
Thanks again,
DS
Ron didn't write the title. The Deseret News always picks their own titles for these articles.
Frankly, anyone that allows, or participates in, identity theft is doing a terrible thing. Or, a "bad " thing. It needs to be stopped.
And the sentiment I shared with you earlier came from Ron, so, although, I can't manage how he is perceived by others, I'll try to relay something more than just the one paragraph that got put in the Deseret News.
Ron may not have picked that title, but The Deseret Morning News doesn't always pick their own titles. If you include a title, occasionally they will opt to use that.
As far as identity theft, I would categorize people using an SSN to get a job differently than people using an SSN to defraud financial institutions and ruin a persons credit. But again, it is not a given that all illegal immigrants are doing this.
And finally, I really do appreciate your comments, and as such, I am going to include them in the body of this post as well as an update. I know, from firsthand experience, that sometimes the editing process of the Deseret Morning News can exclude important subtleties from a letter to the editor.
So thanks again Tyler,
DS
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Coulter tirade hurts Romney
I was disappointed to see former Massachusettes Gov. Mitt Romney introduce Ann Coulter at a recent gathering of conservatives. Shortly after Romney gave her a warm introduction, Ann Coulter proceeded to go on her famous tirade. While Romney didn't make the remark, he surely knew what he was getting into by agreeing to speak with and introduce Coulter. If you can tell a lot about people by the company they keep, what does Romney's choice tell us about him?
Ryan Parker
Salt Lake City
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"...what if mary had taken birth control after the Lord filled her with His hot, white, sticky holy spirit..."
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Frequent reader passes on - Sunday, March 4, 2007
It is with great sadness we write to you today. On behalf of the Norval Turner family, we wish to say thank you for publishing his letters in your column. Although he has passed on, we hope that the public will continue to support his efforts in keeping good moral standards and ethics in our country and homes.
Maybe someone else will take up the fight
In trying to teach what's respectfully right.
Yes, Norval Turner gave it his best.
Now he has laid his pen to rest.
He will be missed as he rests in peace.
The Turner family
Murray
Turner's voice will be missed
I noted with sadness the passing of Norval George Turner. Norval wrote to the Deseret News and later the Deseret Morning News about public policy, politics and many other subjects. I will miss his "voice." I am grateful for his insight and for his having taken the time to express his views. Thank you, Cork!
Philip DeLaMare
Salt Lake City
Slayings not the only news - Sunday, February 18, 2007
My complaint is not with the Deseret Morning News, but with the television coverage of the Trolley Square massacre. It was as if nothing else were happening. For an hour and a half I watched two different stations and heard nothing except the "big story." What little they knew about it was repeated over and over. The world stopped turning for a few unfortunate families, but life goes on for the rest of us.
Norval Turner
Murray
Hospitals already crowded - Wednesday, February 7, 2007
When we see how crowded our hospitals are now, we have t o wonder how they are going to handle so many people if affordable health care is declared a right for all Utahns. And it should be a right. Otherwise more people will suffer and die for want of care for our war casualties.
Norval Turner
Murray
All-or-nothing not best way - Friday, January 19, 2007
"Getting gramps off the road" (Jan. 17) may cause a lot of hardships. Many of us have "restricted to corrective lenses" on our licenses. Why couldn't some of us have "restricted to daylight hours" or something similar? I know a man who is restricted to a radius of 10 miles from his home and to daylight hours.
Old people do tend to drive carefully and need to get to the grocery store, hair dresser, etc. It may be necessary to restrict their driving, but let's not chop them off too suddenly nor too completely.
Norval Turner
Murray
Do we want Americans tortured? - Dec 13, 2005
Reasons for not torturing prisoners far outweigh any for doing so. One that stands out in my mind is retaliation. Tit for tat or revenge has always been prevalent in the minds of many, including world leaders. We can expect our own people to be tortured whenever any of ours torture others. Is that what we want?
Norval Turner
Murray
Extracting information critical - Dec 21, 2005
Norval Turner in his letter "Do we want Americans tortured?" (Readers' Forum, Dec. 13) makes two points: Reasons for not torturing prisoners far outweigh any for doing so, and our own people will be tortured whenever any of ours torture others.
While we could debate the definition of torture vs. aggressive interrogation, does the writer really think that people who slowly cut off the heads of innocent civilians care what we do to our prisoners? There are many reasons to aggressively interrogate captured terrorists. If we could extract information to prevent the explosion of a nuclear or dirty bomb in an American city, I think that would be a darn good reason.
Richard LaFontaine
Kaysville
Nothing gained from torture - Dec 23, 2005
Richard LaFontaine (Readers' Forum, Dec. 21) criticizes Norval Turner's position on torture, in essence promoting the childish cry of "They did it first!" Torture rarely results in reliable information. Most torture victims will say anything to make it stop. But most importantly, if we do not take the high road and prohibit the use of torture, we risk becoming like those we are fighting.
Boyd Petrie
This is place for opinions - Saturday, June 24, 2006
Bonnie J. Anjier shows terrible intolerance in regard to others expressing their opinions (Readers' Forum, June 21). Anything to do with moral issues should only be aired in church or at home, she says. Nonsense! The opinion section of the paper is made to voice our varied views. She has no business telling us to shut up already. Thank heaven the land of the free includes freedom to state our opinions.
Norval Turner
Murray
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Mr. Turner's obituary:Norval George Turner, age 82, passed away peacefully February 27, 2007, in Murray, Utah after a valiant fight with cancer. He was born July 9, 1924 in Hunter, Utah to George Anderson and Harriet Fern Hartle Turner.
Norval was a veteran of World War II and afterwards served a mission for the LDS Church in the Northwest States. He married Beatrice Mary Howells Turner on August 18, 1950 in the Salt Lake LDS Temple and they had 5 children: Tom (Cathy) of Provo, UT; Jeanine; Sherrie (Andy) Sommers of Monroe, WA; Bill (Jaylene) of Riverton, UT; and Jay (Wendy) of Walla Walla, WA.
Preceded in death by his parents, daughter Jeanine, brothers Steve and Marion, brother-in-laws Roy Eliason and Roscoe Mackay. He is survived by his loving wife, 4 children, and most of his siblings: Addie Mackay of West Jordan, UT; Bill (Helen) of Sultan, WA; Dora (Jarvis) Peck of Midvale, UT; Leola (Wayne) Stanley of Murray, UT; Barbara Eliason of Logan, UT; Jerold (Renee) of West Bountiful, UT; Carol (Deon) Hutchings of Holladay, UT; sister-in-laws Audrey Fowles of Delta, UT and Emma Turner of Salt Lake City, UT; 11 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren.
He was an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, serving in many callings including Stake Mission Presidency, Bishopric and Temple Worker. He was employed as a letter carrier for 30 years and enjoyed writing letters to the editor, poems and songs. His hobbies included genealogy and gardening, but his passion was chess.
Funeral services will be held at 12:00 Noon, Saturday, March 3, 2007, in the Parkview LDS Ward, 619 W. 5750 So., Murray, UT. A viewing will be
Friday from 6-8 p.m. at Jenkins-Soffe Mortuary, 4760 So. State, Murray (map), and 1 hour prior to the services at the church. Interment will be in the Elysian Burial Gardens Cemetery (map).
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Extracting information critical - Dec 21, 2005
Norval Turner in his letter "Do we want Americans tortured?" (Readers' Forum, Dec. 13) makes two points: Reasons for not torturing prisoners far outweigh any for doing so, and our own people will be tortured whenever any of ours torture others.
While we could debate the definition of torture vs. aggressive interrogation, does the writer really think that people who slowly cut off the heads of innocent civilians care what we do to our prisoners? There are many reasons to aggressively interrogate captured terrorists. If we could extract information to prevent the explosion of a nuclear or dirty bomb in an American city, I think that would be a darn good reason.
Richard LaFontaine
Kaysville
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I can't see how her employer is right.. I did a cursory look through her posts and couldn't see anything which could justify them demanding she not blog as a condition of employment.
I'd agree this isn't a classic first amendment debate, but these types of issues will come up more and more as we rely on corporations for our essential needs (employment, obviously), and as those needs come with increasingly onerous requirements.
But in the end, I think we're all kind of missing the point: Sarah is totally hot, and we should all be supporting her on that point if no other.
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Liberal radio is unpopular
Bob Neale put in his Readers' Forum two-cents worth suggesting that to fix the problem of the radio waves being too conservative, he should join the jihad against the West (Feb. 28). But before Bob dons a turban and shoulders an AK47, he should understand that a radio broadcasting company isn't going to air a radio show that nobody listens to. That's why the liberal radio shows are far less popular. Conservatism does have control of public radio, but it doesn't amount to much when you consider that liberalism controls the media and public universities.
Matt Warren
West Jordan
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Video - Fox News: Hannity Presses All-Out War on Democrats
(everyone jump on board!)
Video - Nancy Pelosi Spanks Dick Cheney
(Two Totally Different Perspectives)
Opinion - Walter Williams: Democracy leads to tyranny
(Wallter Williams - Did I judge him a partisan conservative too quickly?)
Opinion - Jeremy B. Roberts - Choice vs. Detention
(This was perhaps my most conflicted response)
Do we need to see disturbing images? DMN Readers Revolt
(Local Explicit Images but not International?)
Little Green Footballs vs. Deseret Morning News
(LGF Blows)
Opinion - Lynn E. Taylor - Yet Another False World War II Analogy
(Concerning surveillance and legal issues surrounding wiretapping)
DS
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Labels: common sense, deseret morning news, editorial, Letters to the Editor, Lois M. Collins, passion
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Majority, democratic rule leads toward tyranny
By Walter Williams
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